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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 13, 2025, 10:45 am
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Do Newham provide an online facility for checking the
status/history of thje PCN?
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: Angel1977
Date: May 13, 2025, 12:52 pm
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hi @ John - yes - all these photos have been obtained from
online
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 13, 2025, 2:11 pm
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> hi @ John - yes - all these photos have been obtained from
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and what does it say about the status/history?
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: Angel1977
Date: May 13, 2025, 2:15 pm
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hi [member=3203]John[/member] -please see below a direct print
from the Newham website - thanks,
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 13, 2025, 2:19 pm
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It doesn't look as if they give a history of actions they take
in connection with a PCN (unlike, e.g., TfL)
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 13, 2025, 4:36 pm
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OP, I'm confused by your account.
Pl correct if this is incorrect.
You have two cars.
The car in question was parked correctly in a permit holder
space on 13 April.
A suspension came into effect on 14th.
At some time on 13th you had to take your father to the hospital
in the second car where you remained with him until he was
discharged on 14th after a PCN had been issued because no-one
was in the house to move the car before the suspension came into
effect.
Your references to breakdown and having another confuse me. The
reason the car in contravention wasn't moved is because no-one
was there to move it, or have I got this wrong?
The 'had someone been there they couldn't have moved it anyway
because it had broken down' is secondary IMO.
But pl clarify the sequence of events and why you stayed with
your father overnight and into the next day. If the answer is
because he's your father and at that time returning home to move
a b****y car was not your No.1 priority, then so be it!
#Post#: 71408--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: Angel1977
Date: May 14, 2025, 2:48 am
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hi @ H C Andersen thanks for picking this up as a Hero member.
no other vehicle - my neighbour gave us a lift
The car in question was parked correctly in a permit holder
space on 13 April.
A suspension came into effect on 14th.
At some time on 13th you had to take your father to the hospital
in the second car where you remained with him until he was
discharged on 14th after a PCN had been issued because no-one
was in the house to move the car before the suspension came into
effect.
Ans : you are absolutely right in the sequence of events
The reason the car in contravention wasn't moved is because
no-one was there to move it, or have I got this wrong?
Ans : you are absolutely right
why you stayed with your father overnight and into the next day.
If the answer is because he's your father and at that time
returning home to move a b****y car was not your No.1 priority,
then so be it!
Ans : you are absolutely right
To add the other reason is also because he is 77 and was not
even in a position to talk to doctors or knows about the
medication that he is taking (bit of alzheimers dementia) I am
his carer and because of his condition he feels safe around me
and the hospital / doctors do not function without my presence -
hope that clarifies
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 14, 2025, 2:59 am
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Thank you.
Therefore IMO you defence is 'contravention did not occur' (due
to circumstances beyond your control).
These being:
You weren't there to move the car. You had not planned to remain
at the hospital but that due to the circumstances(which you will
set out) you could not return to move your car.
And, as it happens, the battery or whatever was flat therefore
even if you had returned it is questionable whether you could
have arranged to move the car in time.
Wait for others.
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: Angel1977
Date: May 14, 2025, 4:29 am
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thanks - I did submit it to them in the first account - but they
totally seem to have disregarded it
HTML https://ibb.co/Tq1K4XMK
are we able to submit another (These being:
You weren't there to move the car. You had not planned to remain
at the hospital but that due to the circumstances(which you will
set out) you could not return to move your car.
And, as it happens, the battery or whatever was flat therefore
even if you had returned it is questionable whether you could
have arranged to move the car in time.)
or do i have to wait for the next stage
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Re: PCN received from Newham council for Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 14, 2025, 5:36 am
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IMO, your initial reps placed the stress in the wrong place i.e.
the main plank of your defence is NOT that your car wouldn't
move, it's that you weren't there to move it.
So VAT, who cares!
Whether you go for the grounds of 'contravention did not
occur.....circumstances...' or 'penalty exceeded the amount
applicable in the circumstances of the case' they both engage
the key issue of 'circumstances' which gives an adjudicator(if
it got that far) considerable scope which is not closely
prescribed in law, it's where subjectivity comes in.
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