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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: June 23, 2025, 4:02 pm
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Thanks
Have done so
Will post back when the EN arrives
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: July 15, 2025, 2:22 am
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Hi
I have now received the enforcement notice - uploaded
I have also attached the screenshots of the Lambeth Payment
Website at the various stages
1 - Pre informal challenge
2 - Post notice of rejection
3 - Post enforcement notice letter
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 15, 2025, 4:06 am
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1. The EN tells you to use the form and then contradicts itself
by telling you to go online.
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: July 15, 2025, 4:10 am
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Is that in itself a grounds for cancellation?
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 15, 2025, 4:14 am
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Nope. I would just require them to consider your original
challenge as formal representations, which you can do online. Do
not mention their initial rejection though.
#Post#: 82012--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: July 21, 2025, 3:51 pm
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Great. I will re-submit the above on their "Formal
Representations" webpage.
A few additional comments I'd appreciate your thoughts on in
efforts to further bolster my repeat representations:
1) Do you think it is worthwhile also adding a case precedent to
the representations where the PCN was quashed by London
Tribunals on appeal due to inadequate signage? I don't have all
the details (Case numbers etc) but it appears this case hit the
local news in 2022:
HTML https://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/22454972.man-wins-fight-lambeth-council-bus-lane-fine/.<br
/> I doubt the signage has changed since this time.
2) In the rejection notice they state "the lane ends after the
traffic light signal at the Give way markings, outside 149
Clapham Park Road where a sign (TSRGD diagram 964) has been
erected". However on reviewing the Traffic Sign manual, article
9.3.9 states "the end of a with-flow bus lane will usually be
obvious through the termination of the diagram 1049A
marking...". In this case the 1049A marking ends at the traffic
island as previously stated. The 964 sign is not in line with
the 1049A termination as it should be based on my reading of the
Traffic Signs manual.
3) In addition, the rejection notice seems to conflate this
layout as being perhaps both a Bus Lane and then a Bus Gate? Is
this allowed? The second 1048 "Bus Lane" road marking is also
beyond the end of the 1049A line and thus within their proposed
Bus "Gate".
Ultimately, the whole layout stinks and seems like one hell of a
money maker for LBC since its introduction leading drivers down
the left filter lane
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 22, 2025, 2:04 am
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> I doubt the signage has changed since this time.
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You can check - GSV has a capture for this July and every July
or August since 2019 (not 2020)
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 22, 2025, 6:38 am
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Please do not even mention their first letter - this can wait.
And please screenshot the payments page now and keep and post it
here.
#Post#: 84115--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: August 4, 2025, 4:57 pm
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Right. I have edited, added to and re-submitted my
representations. See below. Apologies for not posting before
submitting but the apparent 28 days of the enforcement notice
expires shortly. I've also attached the screenshot of the
Lambeth Website.
Thanks again. Will keep you posted on their response!
Representations:
There was no breach of the order and I challenge liability for
this PCN for the following reasons:
1.
allegedly passed and therefore does not prove the alleged
contravention
2.
Management Order (TMO) the controls specified in Article 3(1) do
not apply in respect of a vehicle crossing a bus lane to get to
or from any road adjacent to the bus lane. At the time of the
alleged contravention the vehicle KU17HJM moved to access the
adjacent road on Clapham Park Road solely for the purpose of
turning left at the junction with Abbeville Road/Acre Lane.
This manoeuvre was legal under the terms of the TMO, the Bus
Lane was not entered in contravention of the TMO as the adjacent
road was to be accessed by the Vehicle KU17HJM.
3.
hand filter lane characterised by the short stretch to the Stop
Line diagram 1001 between the nearside kerb and traffic island,
the signal controlled pedestrian crossing, Give-way triangular
road marking and Double Broken white line at the subsequent left
hand turn junction with Abbeville road/Acre Lane and does not
state or carry valid upright signage or road markings denoting
that it is a Bus Lane.
4.
the boundary of the nearside with-flow Bus Lane ends just before
the traffic island. As per the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3
article 9.3.9 “the end of a with-flow bus lane will usually be
obvious through the termination of the diagram 1049A marking.”
5.
Clapham Park Road itself nor in line with the end of the diagram
1049A marking termination as mandated by the Traffic Signs
Manual when it is being used.
6.
the diagram 1049A marking termination and is therefore invalid.
7.
committed to the nearside left hand filter road exit and become
trapped between the nearside kerb and traffic island. The
driver is beyond the point of no return otherwise a dangerous
reversing manoeuvre would be required.
8.
TSRGD 2016 regulation of signage size which states the minimum
is 450mm. The diagram 953 is not compatible with a Traffic
Signal Head and thus is not prescribed in its current setting at
Clapham Park Road.
9.
left hand filter lane is inappropriately signed in lacking the
Zig-Zag and Termination marks mandated by the Traffic Sign
Manual Chapter 6. Presumably this has been wilfully omitted by
Lambeth Council as they recognise that these markings would be
mutually incompatible with their alleged Bus Lane or apparent
efforts to define a Bus Gate using the non-prescribed diagram
953 on the traffic signal head at this location.
10.
prior to the traffic island that guides drivers into the
nearside left hand filter lane / adjacent road (detailed in
points 2 and 3) at a point where it is visible to the driver
that the nearside Bus Lane is ending (due to termination of the
diagram 1049A) and thus the manoeuvre to turn into the filter
lane is deemed permissible by the driver. In reference to point
7, the non-prescribed diagram 953 is not visible from the
diagram 1038 left-turn arrow to contradict the driver’s opinion
of this permissible manoeuvre.
11.
the vehicle evidenced by the video did not undermine the Bus
Lane or obstruct or interfere with any Bus Lane traffic, traffic
on Clapham Park Road or Abbeville/Acre Lane or Pedestrians and
Cyclists.
12.
Road/Acre Lane is inadequate and confused with conflated,
missing and non-prescribed upright signage and road markings
that only serves to entrap drivers into the nearside left hand
filter lane that Lambeth Council alleges is a Bus Lane to
justify their issuance of PCNs for the purposes of significant
revenue generation at this location from unwitting drivers who
merely pay without raising discord.
Please cancel this PCN in light of the above
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 5, 2025, 2:23 am
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Non-prescribed signage? 953? Do you mean 959B?
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