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#Post#: 71118--------------------------------------------------
PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: May 12, 2025, 3:42 pm
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Hi all,
I've been sent a PCN (links below) regarding an alleged
contravention at the notorious Clapham Park Road / Abbeville
Road | Acre Lane Bus Lane Priority filter where it turns left.
Like many, the driver believed this was the lane to turn left at
the junction.
These are the links of the signage leading up to the junction
and the road layout itself - although the road markings are a
little faded now:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GxSYvPym3Eg4FpTPA
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/7WHsUBfzCpE2rmzA8
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/2LRBpsLcmd3tFugj6
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/szniGphaGydE64QCA
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kw7PXuCa3UNgZo5B8
There is a large white arrow pointing left in the lane adjacent
to the Bus Lane before the traffic island, this arrow is thus
misleading directing drivers into the bus lane rather than to
turn left after the traffic island as the council intends.
Clearly this Bus Lane has been a money spinner for Lambeth since
its introduction - apparently the most lucrative across the
country!
I was reviewing the Traffic Management Order from 2004 (link
below) for this Bus Priority Lane - I am not sure if there are
any more recent updates, would appreciate you thoughts on
challenging that the Contravention did not occur based on
Article 4(2) in the TMO - i.e. the vehicle is exempt as it
crossed into the bus lane to "get to or from any road adjacent
to the bus lane" - From the images of the bus lane it seems to
end at the pedestrian crossing, whether this counts as "road
adjacent" or Acre Lane itself?
In addition, I have uploaded a screenshot of the Lambeth PCN
Payment website - the date of increase from the discount of £80
to £160 does not match the 14-day expiring period - is this
ground for cancelling the PCN?
Any assistance in challenging this would be much appreciated,
thanks
Link to PCN document and Evidence:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pcn-clapham-park-road-TjSV2Cs
Link to Screenshot of Lambeth PCN Payment Website:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/gPLvmmW
Link to Lambeth Borough Council Traffic Management Order 2004:
HTML https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pcns_bus_lane_clapham_park_roada_4/response/388117/attach/11/LBC%202004%20No%2041%20The%20Lambeth%20Bus%20Priority%20Clapham%20Park%20Road%20Traffic%20Order%202004.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
#Post#: 71122--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 12, 2025, 3:57 pm
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I am doing a Lambeth one for another member but privately. This
will be fun as their website is total bolleaux. I will look at
the case later and offer a draft.
#Post#: 72010--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: May 18, 2025, 1:53 am
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Morning, following up on an opinion / draft for grounds of
challenge - the deadline to make representations and maintain
the discount is tomorrow.
Thanks again!
#Post#: 72051--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 18, 2025, 9:41 am
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--- Quote from: Rackett78 link ---
>
> Morning, following up on an opinion / draft for grounds of
challenge - the deadline to make representations and maintain
the discount is tomorrow.
>
> Thanks again!
>
--- End Quote ---
The law only allows an informal challenge. I suggest this:
I challenge liability for tis PCN because the video does not
show any upright signage allegedly passed and therefore does not
prove the alleged contravention. Therefore, please cancel
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We can leave the website issues for later.
#Post#: 72138--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: May 19, 2025, 4:21 am
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Thanks for the input
Presumably this will get rejected out of hand with subsequent
links from the council to the signage.
With this in mind, do you think I should add in my TMO comments
where the drive was "moving to adjacent road" now or hold fire
on that for now?
Thanks
#Post#: 72140--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 19, 2025, 4:32 am
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Why not? Post up a draft first please.
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: May 19, 2025, 4:00 pm
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A Draft. Any comments/corrections/additions/thoughts welcome:
I believe there was no breach of the order and challenge
liability for this PCN for the following reasons:
1.
allegedly passed and therefore does not prove the alleged
contravention
2.
Management Order (TMO) the controls specified in Article 3(1) do
not apply in respect of a vehicle crossing a bus lane to get to
or from any road adjacent to the bus lane. At the time of the
alleged contravention the vehicle moved to access the adjacent
road on Clapham Park Road solely for the purpose of turning left
at the junction with Abbeville Road. This manoeuvre was legal
under the terms of the TMO, the Bus Lane was not entered in
contravention of the TMO as the adjacent road was to be accessed
by the Vehicle.
3.
the Pedestrian Crossing, Give-way triangular road marking and
Double Broken white line at the subsequent left hand turn
junction with Abbeville road and does not state or carry
appropriate signage or road markings that it is a Bus Lane.
4.
Bus Lane ends at the traffic island.
5.
vehicle did not undermine the Bus Lane or obstruct or interfere
with any Bus Lane traffic
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Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 20, 2025, 2:19 pm
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Okay.
#Post#: 77596--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Rackett78
Date: June 22, 2025, 1:30 pm
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As expected the informal challenge was rejected
I have attached the letter
Presumably I wait for the enforcement notice now
Thanks
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 77597--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 34J Being in a bus lane - Clapham Park Road, Lambeth
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 22, 2025, 1:41 pm
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Yes to the EN. meantime, take screenshots of payment status as
this will be crucial at the final set.
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