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SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: abdal2131
Date: May 12, 2025, 4:57 am
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I have received an SJPN for failing to give information relating
to the driver and for exceeding a variable speed limit. I
received the NIP last October and responded online however it
looks like it didn’t process properly as I have now been given a
SJPN notice. Not sure how to respond to notice now as I believed
my response went through fine. I just have a screenshot of the
screen after I submitted.
#Post#: 70996--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: May 12, 2025, 5:15 am
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> I just have a screenshot of the screen after I submitted.
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What does this screenshot show? Did the instructions allow for
your nomination electronically? (As opposed to naming an
alternative person)
#Post#: 71000--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: abdal2131
Date: May 12, 2025, 5:26 am
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The screenshot just shows thank you, your response was submitted
successfully.
#Post#: 71023--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: May 12, 2025, 7:26 am
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Were you nominating yourself or somebody else?
If you were nominating yourself as the driver most police forces
(apparently) require you to do so by returning the paper s172
request physically signed by you. You can't do it online.
Norfolk and suffolk constabulary is the only one I know of that
allows somebody to nominate themselves online, but there may be
others
#Post#: 71031--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: abdal2131
Date: May 12, 2025, 8:01 am
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It was myself but the form allowed me to do so and I was able to
submit online. It was West Midlands. Just need to figure out how
to respond to the SJPN. I would be happy to just have the 3
points and fine instead of the 6points and larger fine.
#Post#: 71039--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: May 12, 2025, 8:29 am
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> ...to just have the 3 points and fine instead of the 6points
and larger fine.
>
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What was the alleged speed and limit?
--- Quote from: abdal2131 link ---
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> It was myself but the form allowed me to do so and I was able
to submit online. It was West Midlands. Just need to figure out
how to respond to the SJPN.
>
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If you don't want to explore whether you complied with the s172
request then there's the frequently detailed 'plea bargain'.
But you have to plead not guilty to both offences - assuming the
forms do not offer such an option. (Do not be tempted to plead
guilty to the underlying offence as you could bag 9+ points -
remember it seems like they do not have sufficient evidence as
to the driver)
You may well have to attend court to get the prosecutor to agree
to dropping the s172. You can indicate you would plead guilty
to the speeding if the s172 is dropped.
...then there's the other conversation about the sentencing.
You can ask for the court to consider a fixed penalty equivalent
(and no costs order) but we don't know whether the criteria have
been met for this.
#Post#: 71042--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: abdal2131
Date: May 12, 2025, 8:41 am
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60mph on motorway when signs for 50mph was on. If I want to
mention about the fact that I believed I submitted do I mention
that when I choose not guilty. And for speeding do I need to
give a reason so saying not guilty.
#Post#: 71045--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: abdal2131
Date: May 12, 2025, 8:53 am
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What do you mean with the sentencing. With a plea would it not
just revert to the speeding offence fine and points.
#Post#: 71053--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: May 12, 2025, 9:29 am
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> The screenshot just shows thank you, your response was
submitted successfully.
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So is it just an acknowledgement?
Does it not also show your nomination as the driver?
#Post#: 71056--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN notice received but I submitted response to NIP
DIR By: 666
Date: May 12, 2025, 9:39 am
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--- Quote from: abdal2131 link ---
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> What do you mean with the sentencing. With a plea would it not
just revert to the speeding offence fine and points.
>
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Yes. But the fine would be income-related (less one third for a
guilty plea) and subject to a 40% surcharge - certainly a lot
more than the £100 fixed penalty. Plus prosecution costs c£90.
The court has discretion to sentence you at the FP level if it
thinks it appropriate. There's nothing to be lost by asking
(nicely).
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