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#Post#: 73120--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: Finderskeepers
Date: May 24, 2025, 3:46 pm
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Besides the standard details for payment and the option to
challenge after waiting for a Notice to Keeper, the letter I
received states the following:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the Penalty Charge Notice
detailed above. I have given careful consideration to the
circumstances you have described but regret that there are not
sufficient grounds for the notice to be withdrawn.
The Penalty Charge Notice was issued for the following
contravention - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed
hours , as your vehicle was observed parked where double yellow
lines were present when waiting restrictions were in force.
These restrictions were clearly shown in accordance with the
Road Traffic legislation.
With regards to your comments concerning the condition of the
yellow lines, although there are a couple of small gaps in the
yellow lines due to utility works, etc, it is quite clear that a
yellow line is in place and therefore as the motorist it remains
your responsibility to ensure that signage is located and
checked so that you are aware of the times in which the waiting
restrictions apply at that particular area.
I have noted your comments in relation to other vehicles parked
at this location and can confirm that your vehicle was not the
only one to receive a Penalty Charge Notice around that time.
Unfortunately due to the Data Protection Act we are unable to
discuss other peoples' information.
In regards to your comments that you were previously advised by
a Civil Enforcement Officer that you could park at this
location. However, whilst I appreciate the circumstances that
you have described I regret that I unable to investigate this
matter as the identity number of the Civil Enforcement Officer,
which is unique for every Officer has not been provided.
There is no mention of other material I included in my appeal
including
(1) previous PCNs issued to cars parked in this parking bay have
been overturned;
(2) no consideration to the lines not meeting traffic signs
manual guidance or whether the alleged contravention was the
roadside or kerbside line
(3) no recognition that the bay was created specifically for
resident parking around 2012 (after intervention by the local MP
to reverse an earlier decision to remove the bay in favour of a
widened pavement, thus intentionally creating additional parking
spaces). Photos from that time show that the kerbside yellow
lines were partially but not fully removed or obscured and the
work was never returned to be completed. Over passage of time
the kerbside lines have become more prominent and the TRO dated
2014 has never been updated to reflect the renewed parking bay
so still refers to the bay as restricted parking, ignoring the
work started but not completed in 2012. The section of the bay
where there is a stretch of double yellow the length of about
four cars is used daily by local residents for parking, being
continuous with a parking bay running for the length of rest of
the road.
I'm guessing the next step is to ask the Council to explain why
they created the bay in 2012 and started, but never finished,
removing the yellow lines or updating the TRO...
#Post#: 73221--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 25, 2025, 1:34 pm
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You don't seem to be any further forward with this.
Email them and ask which of the two lines they are enforcing in
this case.
#Post#: 84785--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: Finderskeepers
Date: August 8, 2025, 9:55 am
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Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
weeks to pay up or else.
I resubmitted the evidence I previously sent in, with slightly
clearer Google Streetview images taken at various points in the
past that showed how blanking (tar/paint) had evidently been
applied to the yellow lines a decade ago and has progressively
worn off since.
In the meantime I had received a response from an FoI to traffic
engineers who said they were aware of the anomaly with the
partially painted over yellow lines that served no purpose but
were on a TRO and they were planning to amend the TRO in due
course. The Council held no information on why the yellow lines
were painted in the first place, nor any record of the work to
pavement over the parking bay, then remove it a few years later.
Further enquiries found that the matter had been raised at the
local Ward committee 17 years ago when the lines were first
installed (before online records were available). I obtained a
copy of the records, and it appears that health centre
contractors were building a new health centre nearby, and they,
rather than the Council, instigated the yellow lines and the
movement of the pavement, without either Council or residents
being aware! Something to do with improving traffic flow, that
actually had no impact on road safety and had not been properly
authorised. Hence why the Council had no record of why there
should be a TRO showing the enforcement along a stretch of
partially blanked off or burnt off double yellow lines.
Residents protested and after some wrangling the lines were
(partially) removed. Some years later a TRO was put in place -
ironically restricting parking along the stretch of road that
had incorrectly had the markings applied then removed.
My fine was duly dismissed. But it took a lot of investigative
legwork to get that far, and the double yellows remain
increasingly visible so it may not be the last time someone gets
a PCN for parking in this parking bay.
#Post#: 84790--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 8, 2025, 10:12 am
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Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
weeks to pay up or else.
My fine was duly dismissed.
How? If you made valid reps in time and did not receive a NOR
then a CC was procedurally improper and grounds for cancellation
anyway.
Would you clarify pl.
#Post#: 84792--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: August 8, 2025, 10:25 am
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--- Quote from: Finderskeepers link ---
>
>
> My fine was duly dismissed.
>
--- End Quote ---
How?
#Post#: 84793--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 8, 2025, 10:34 am
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Don't ignore the charge certificate (or rather, do, but not the
next document in the process which comes after the charge
certificate).
#Post#: 84819--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 8, 2025, 12:40 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
weeks to pay up or else.
>
> My fine was duly dismissed.
>
> How? If you made valid reps in time and did not receive a NOR
then a CC was procedurally improper and grounds for cancellation
anyway.
>
> Would you clarify pl.
>
--- End Quote ---
+1
What proof have you that the PCN penalty was paid ?
#Post#: 84820--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: Finderskeepers
Date: August 8, 2025, 12:45 pm
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I didn't pay the initial but appealed. My initial appeal against
the ticket was rejected. I had a further notice come (which I
ignored as I was waiting for a response to the FoI I made about
why there were parking restrictions on the road). Then came a
Charge Notice, and with it an opportunity to submit further
evidence. The further evidence I had learned in the meantime
that the initial restrictions were not consulted upon nor
installed by the Council seems to have been what was necessary
for the fine to be dropped.
#Post#: 84828--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 8, 2025, 1:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Finderskeepers link ---
>
> I didn't pay the initial but appealed. My initial appeal
against the ticket was rejected. I had a further notice come
(which I ignored as I was waiting for a response to the FoI I
made about why there were parking restrictions on the road).
Then came a Charge Notice, and with it an opportunity to submit
further evidence. The further evidence I had learned in the
meantime that the initial restrictions were not consulted upon
nor installed by the Council seems to have been what was
necessary for the fine to be dropped.
>
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All very nice, but where is the email/letter that tells you the
penalty was cancelled, (you use 'dismissed')
#Post#: 84837--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
DIR By: Finderskeepers
Date: August 8, 2025, 3:03 pm
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"After a full investigation, I am pleased to inform you that the
Penalty Charge Notice and Notice to Owner have now been
cancelled."
Love,
My local council
I presume on the basis of that, from the parking enforcement
team, that I'm no longer being pursued.
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