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       #Post#: 73120--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: Finderskeepers
       Date: May 24, 2025, 3:46 pm
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       Besides the standard details for payment and the option to
       challenge after waiting for a Notice to Keeper, the letter I
       received states the following:
       
       Thank you for your enquiry concerning the Penalty Charge Notice
       detailed above. I have given careful consideration to the
       circumstances you have described but regret that there are not
       sufficient grounds for the notice to be withdrawn.
       
       The Penalty Charge Notice was issued for the following
       contravention - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed
       hours , as your vehicle was observed parked where double yellow
       lines were present when waiting restrictions were in force.
       These restrictions were clearly shown in accordance with the
       Road Traffic legislation.
       
       With regards to your comments concerning the condition of the
       yellow lines, although there are a couple of small gaps in the
       yellow lines due to utility works, etc, it is quite clear that a
       yellow line is in place and therefore as the motorist it remains
       your responsibility to ensure that signage is located and
       checked so that you are aware of the times in which the waiting
       restrictions apply at that particular area.
       
       I have noted your comments in relation to other vehicles parked
       at this location and can confirm that your vehicle was not the
       only one to receive a Penalty Charge Notice around that time.
       Unfortunately due to the Data Protection Act we are unable to
       discuss other peoples' information.
       
       In regards to your comments that you were previously advised by
       a Civil Enforcement Officer that you could park at this
       location. However, whilst I appreciate the circumstances that
       you have described I regret that I unable to investigate this
       matter as the identity number of the Civil Enforcement Officer,
       which is unique for every Officer has not been provided.
       
       There is no mention of other material I included in my appeal
       including
       (1) previous PCNs issued to cars parked in this parking bay have
       been overturned;
       (2) no consideration to the lines not meeting traffic signs
       manual guidance or whether the alleged contravention was the
       roadside or kerbside line
       (3) no recognition that the bay was created specifically for
       resident parking around 2012 (after intervention by the local MP
       to reverse an earlier decision to remove the bay in favour of a
       widened pavement, thus intentionally creating additional parking
       spaces). Photos from that time show that the kerbside yellow
       lines were partially but not fully removed or obscured and the
       work was never returned to be completed. Over passage of time
       the kerbside lines have become more prominent and the TRO dated
       2014 has never been updated to reflect the renewed parking bay
       so still refers to the bay as restricted parking, ignoring the
       work started but not completed in 2012. The section of the bay
       where there is a stretch of double yellow the length of about
       four cars is used daily by local residents for parking, being
       continuous with a parking bay running for the length of rest of
       the road.
       
       I'm guessing the next step is to ask the Council to explain why
       they created the bay in 2012 and started, but never finished,
       removing the yellow lines or updating the TRO...
       #Post#: 73221--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: May 25, 2025, 1:34 pm
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       You don't seem to be any further forward with this.
       Email them and ask which of the two lines they are enforcing in
       this case.
       #Post#: 84785--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: Finderskeepers
       Date: August 8, 2025, 9:55 am
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       Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
       weeks to pay up or else.
       I resubmitted the evidence I previously sent in, with slightly
       clearer Google Streetview images taken at various points in the
       past that showed how blanking (tar/paint) had evidently been
       applied to the yellow lines a decade ago and has progressively
       worn off since.
       In the meantime I had received a response from an FoI to traffic
       engineers who said they were aware of the anomaly with the
       partially painted over yellow lines that served no purpose but
       were on a TRO and they were planning to amend the TRO in due
       course. The Council held no information on why the yellow lines
       were painted in the first place, nor any record of the work to
       pavement over the parking bay, then remove it a few years later.
       Further enquiries found that the matter had been raised at the
       local Ward committee 17 years ago when the lines were first
       installed (before online records were available). I obtained a
       copy of the records, and it appears that health centre
       contractors were building a new health centre nearby, and they,
       rather than the Council, instigated the yellow lines and the
       movement of the pavement, without either Council or residents
       being aware! Something to do with improving traffic flow, that
       actually had no impact on road safety and had not been properly
       authorised. Hence why the Council had no record of why there
       should be a TRO showing the enforcement along a stretch of
       partially blanked off or burnt off double yellow lines.
       Residents protested and after some wrangling the lines were
       (partially) removed. Some years later a TRO was put in place -
       ironically restricting parking along the stretch of road that
       had incorrectly had the markings applied then removed.
       My fine was duly dismissed. But it took a lot of investigative
       legwork to get that far, and the double yellows remain
       increasingly visible so it may not be the last time someone gets
       a PCN for parking in this parking bay.
       #Post#: 84790--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: August 8, 2025, 10:12 am
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       Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
       weeks to pay up or else.
       My fine was duly dismissed.
       How? If you made valid reps in time and did not receive a NOR
       then a CC was procedurally improper and grounds for cancellation
       anyway.
       Would you clarify pl.
       #Post#: 84792--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: ManxTom
       Date: August 8, 2025, 10:25 am
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       --- Quote from: Finderskeepers link ---
       >
       >
       > My fine was duly dismissed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How?
       #Post#: 84793--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: MrChips
       Date: August 8, 2025, 10:34 am
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       Don't ignore the charge certificate (or rather, do, but not the
       next document in the process which comes after the charge
       certificate).
       #Post#: 84819--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: August 8, 2025, 12:40 pm
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       --- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
       >
       > Three months on and a Charge Certificate arrives giving me two
       weeks to pay up or else.
       >
       > My fine was duly dismissed.
       >
       > How? If you made valid reps in time and did not receive a NOR
       then a CC was procedurally improper and grounds for cancellation
       anyway.
       >
       > Would you clarify pl.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       +1
       What proof have you that the PCN penalty was paid ?
       #Post#: 84820--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: Finderskeepers
       Date: August 8, 2025, 12:45 pm
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       I didn't pay the initial but appealed. My initial appeal against
       the ticket was rejected. I had a further notice come (which I
       ignored as I was waiting for a response to the FoI I made about
       why there were parking restrictions on the road). Then came a
       Charge Notice, and with it an opportunity to submit further
       evidence. The further evidence I had learned in the meantime
       that the initial restrictions were not consulted upon nor
       installed by the Council seems to have been what was necessary
       for the fine to be dropped.
       #Post#: 84828--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: August 8, 2025, 1:44 pm
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       --- Quote from: Finderskeepers link ---
       >
       > I didn't pay the initial but appealed. My initial appeal
       against the ticket was rejected. I had a further notice come
       (which I ignored as I was waiting for a response to the FoI I
       made about why there were parking restrictions on the road).
       Then came a Charge Notice, and with it an opportunity to submit
       further evidence. The further evidence I had learned in the
       meantime that the initial restrictions were not consulted upon
       nor installed by the Council seems to have been what was
       necessary for the fine to be dropped.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       All very nice, but where is the email/letter that tells you the
       penalty was cancelled, (you use 'dismissed')
       #Post#: 84837--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN and bonkers double yellow lines
   DIR By: Finderskeepers
       Date: August 8, 2025, 3:03 pm
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       "After a full investigation, I am pleased to inform you that the
       Penalty Charge Notice and Notice to Owner have now been
       cancelled."
       Love,
       My local council
       I presume on the basis of that, from the parking enforcement
       team, that I'm no longer being pursued.
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