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#Post#: 6426--------------------------------------------------
PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking charge
DIR By: bigred247
Date: September 30, 2023, 12:02 pm
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Hey folks,
I received a ticket earlier this afternoon (stuck on the car
windscreen) from a civil enforcement officer after parking my
car in a parking bay on the main road. Just before receiving the
fine, I had paid for the parking via the Ringo app. I'm not sure
why I received this as it should have shown up on whichever
system they use to check. I have proof of receipt for the
parking. I have included this below along with the PCN. I am
planning to contest this on the basis of proof of receipt, but
just thought I'd just add a post here before doing so.
Is this likely a simple error on their part or do I need to shop
at Specsavers?
Thanks.
PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cga8B-jmDZTqKjXUzbR8C-RssDUvIjBu/view?usp=sharing
Receipt
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d4t98wW3ywh_H-ANi1ouHLwuj89tfo3F/view?usp=sharing
#Post#: 6430--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 30, 2023, 1:43 pm
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PCN times 11.41 for car seen. Your session started at 11.35, so
clearly the information for your parking session had not been
downloaded to the CEO's terminal at the time of observation. I
suppose this is inherent in a system that transfers data from a
3rd party parking application, to a council IT system, that then
downloads it to the CEO terminals.
So, of course you did pay, and should submit representations on
this basis, including a copy of your RingGo VAT receipt. Don't
be surprised if they reject you, but stand your ground; you are
in the right and they are in the wrong.
#Post#: 6437--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: September 30, 2023, 5:05 pm
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Is the car correctly registered with a letter o after the V
rather than a zero ?
#Post#: 6453--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 30, 2023, 7:39 pm
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The PCN was issued because the second character of the number
plate is a letter "O", but you put the number "0", you can
confirm this by pasting the number plate from the receipt into
HTML https://www.feelouttheform.net/oorzero/
That being said, the prescribed font for number plates does not
have seperate symbols for the letter O and the number zero,
there is only one symboc and while many motorists will now the
standard number plate formats, this is not something you are
required to know: it's not taught or tested when people learn to
drive and it is not mentioned anywhere in the Highway Code or
any other government guidance for the general public, it's
pretty nice stuff really.
Adjudicators routinely criticise Redbridge for nitpicking on 0/O
and 1/I discrepancies and as far as I'm aware the council has
always lost.
For now just make a representation on the ground that you had
paid, and provide a copy of the receipt. I wouldn't mention any
of the above for now, just say that you've paid and let's see
what drivel they send back.
#Post#: 6476--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: bigred247
Date: October 1, 2023, 6:20 am
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Thanks for the feedback.
I just copied & pasted the number plate from the receipt onto a
car checker website
HTML https://www.carcheck.co.uk
and it seems to
correctly list the car details.
[member=1]cp8759[/member] as you say, I will contest it solely
on the basis of the receipt and see what happens.
#Post#: 6477--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: bigred247
Date: October 1, 2023, 6:25 am
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Actually, just retested the
HTML https://www.carcheck.co.uk
switching
the '0' with an 'O' and vice versa and it returns the same car
details for both. So that isn't quite the correct yardstick. :o
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Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 1, 2023, 6:33 am
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--- Quote from: bigred247 link ---
>
> Actually, just retested the
HTML https://www.carcheck.co.uk
switching the '0' with an 'O' and vice versa and it returns the
same car details for both. So that isn't quite the correct
yardstick. :o
>
--- End Quote ---
Just because that website has accounted for people getting it
wrong doesn't mean anything. If you look up the car on
HTML http://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
I'm pretty sure the zero
one won't come up.
What carcheck.co.uk has obviously done is implemented a simple
script that checks the number plate typed by the user against
the standard format, and it fixes O/0 and probably 1/I
discrepancies so it can still get a match.
#Post#: 6484--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: guest17
Date: October 1, 2023, 8:30 am
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Alan John Warren v London Borough of Redbridge
2220810525
The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this
vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge. There
is a requirement that a parking charge be paid against the
registration mark of the vehicle that is parked. The
registration mark of this vehicle as shown on its plates is
T10AJW. On the council's case although the appellant made
payment via RingGo he did not, as required, do so in respect of
this vehicle's registration mark he entering T1OAJW he thus
using the letter 'O' rather than the number '0'. I acknowledge
what is said but in Regulation 15 of, and Schedule 4 to, The
Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
the prescribed font provides that the letter ‘O’ and the digit
‘0’ are identical, (as are the letter ‘I’ and the digit ‘1’).
That being so I am not satisfied that this vehicle was parked
without payment of the parking charge and I accordingly find
that the contravention did not occur.
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Mike
#Post#: 6564--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: bigred247
Date: October 2, 2023, 5:08 pm
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Hey all,
I just spotted an error on the PCN slip. The officer has
incorrectly recorded the vehicle registration. Instead of
VO23UCC which is the correct registration, he has recorded
VO23VCC! So he has mistakingly used a 'V' where the 'U' should
have been. I first noticed this when trying to log on to the
Redbridge website to make representations and couldn't get past
the login screen because they had buggered it up. I have taken
some screenshots of the evidence.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/16QIsS7P5E6n930j9CCH2DebE0yKQOV_A/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5n0zF5XfKN3Zan17fqdAxYGXlrF8s2K/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L83eOVTkoKBMQxcOr9jYeKlke54nRcFs/view?usp=sharing
Does this change how I make my representation as the vehicle reg
they have served the PCN against is incorrect?
As always, many thanks ;)
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Re: PCN - Redbridge - Parked without payment of the parking
charge
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 2, 2023, 5:54 pm
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In that case you don't need to do anything at all. Registration
VO23 VCC does not exist, so when they try and issue a notice to
owner they won't get any details back from DVLA.
The council cannot reissue the PCN now, it's too late for that.
Just make sure not to lose the original PCN, just in case they
try it on.
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