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#Post#: 70209--------------------------------------------------
Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: owens_2k
Date: May 6, 2025, 7:05 am
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Hi,
This is a continuation of the discussion that started on the old
forums.
(
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20230924012646mp_/http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=142052&st=0).
Summary:
Date of parking: 25.08.2021
Date of PCN: 01.11.2021
Date of response 25.11.2021
So on 25.11.2021 I (registered keeper) responded to the PCN by
giving them the drivers version of events and also supporting
evidence that I was not the driver.
I have had no correspondence from them until I received the
attached. Seems they have passed this on to a debt collections
agency.
Have I exhausted all avenues of appeal at this point?
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 70283--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: b789
Date: May 6, 2025, 12:35 pm
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You can safely ignore anything from Trace. They are a powerless
debt collector and the only thing that can actually do is to try
and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out
of ignorance and fear.
As long as the initial appeal was made by the Keeper and the
driver was not identified, there is nothing they can do about
this. That does not mean that they won't try and litigate this.
However, it would never be allowed to get as far as a hearing if
your facts are correct.
If the alleged contravention was on 25th August 2021, the
initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) must have been issued no later
than 6th September. If the date of the original (reminders do
not count) NtK was 1st November 2021, then there can be no
Keeper liability.
Was this issued as postal NtK or was there a windscreen Notice
to Driver (NtD)?
Until you verify the dates of the actual notices and the types,
there is little else you can do for now. If/when you receive a
Letter of Claim (LoC), there will be more to do. Never, ever,
enter into communication with a powerless debt collector.
#Post#: 70310--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 6, 2025, 3:03 pm
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The archive footage states that there wasn't a NTD.
If this is correct, then OP pl don't clutter the thread with
what ifs and hypothetical scenarios..sorry to be harsh.
They can issue a LoC and commence proceedings if they want...and
waste their time and money thereby.
They may not by law hold you liable for the driver's liability
because objectively they have not met the legal conditions for
doing so.
End of.
Don't argue or debate outside court, wait for your moment in
court if they're foolish enough to continue.
Just follow procedure if they pursue.
#Post#: 70391--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: owens_2k
Date: May 7, 2025, 8:00 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> You can safely ignore anything from Trace. They are a
powerless debt collector and the only thing that can actually do
is to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree
pay up out of ignorance and fear.
>
> As long as the initial appeal was made by the Keeper and the
driver was not identified, there is nothing they can do about
this. That does not mean that they won't try and litigate this.
However, it would never be allowed to get as far as a hearing if
your facts are correct.
>
> If the alleged contravention was on 25th August 2021, the
initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) must have been issued no later
than 6th September. If the date of the original (reminders do
not count) NtK was 1st November 2021, then there can be no
Keeper liability.
>
> Was this issued as postal NtK or was there a windscreen Notice
to Driver (NtD)?
>
> Until you verify the dates of the actual notices and the
types, there is little else you can do for now. If/when you
receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), there will be more to do.
Never, ever, enter into communication with a powerless debt
collector.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes the attachment in the archived forum post was the initial
notice to keeper that was received. On the basis that NtK must
have been issued no later than 6th September but it was issued
1st November can I just ignore this then?
#Post#: 70394--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: owens_2k
Date: May 7, 2025, 8:02 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> The archive footage states that there wasn't a NTD.
>
> If this is correct, then OP pl don't clutter the thread with
what ifs and hypothetical scenarios..sorry to be harsh.
>
> They can issue a LoC and commence proceedings if they
want...and waste their time and money thereby.
>
> They may not by law hold you liable for the driver's liability
because objectively they have not met the legal conditions for
doing so.
>
> End of.
>
> Don't argue or debate outside court, wait for your moment in
court if they're foolish enough to continue.
>
> Just follow procedure if they pursue.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's correct. First correspondence from Alliance parking was a
NtK issued 1st November 2021. Excuse my ignorance, what is LoC
sorry?
#Post#: 70395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 7, 2025, 8:04 am
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--- Quote from: owens_2k link ---
>
> Excuse my ignorance, what is LoC sorry?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> If/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), there will be
more to do. Never, ever, enter into communication with a
powerless debt collector.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 70484--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alliance PCN - From 2021!
DIR By: owens_2k
Date: May 8, 2025, 2:31 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> [quote author=owens_2k link=topic=6218.msg70394#msg70394
date=1746622957]
> Excuse my ignorance, what is LoC sorry?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> If/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), there will be
more to do. Never, ever, enter into communication with a
powerless debt collector.
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
Thank you.
If I receive any further correspondence I will update this post.
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