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Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: mitaab
Date: May 2, 2025, 12:14 pm
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Hi All
I am seeking your good selves help, again!
The PCN pages:
HTML https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ
HTML https://ibb.co/tPDvq3M8
HTML https://ibb.co/JjNnZTSK
The CCTV video footage:
HTML https://vimeo.com/1080895166?share=copy#t=0
The vehicle is the blue Nissan Micra.
Thank you in anticipation.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 2, 2025, 12:33 pm
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I can't see much concrete to go on here I'm afraid.
You might be able to argue that the markings extend well past
the natural junction, as evidenced by the ease with which the
large van behind you was able to exit. But I think most
adjudicators give the authority a lot of leeway under the
TSRGD2016
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 3, 2025, 4:04 am
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The PCN is invalid.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54378/#msg54378
ff.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: May 3, 2025, 5:42 am
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It could also be argued that the exit was clear (i.e. no
offence) when the car entered the box junction. It could easily
have slotted in the left hand side of the lane, partially
alongside the black vehicle. (Why don't people take the obvious
"escape routes" rather than stopping in the box junction?)
#Post#: 69861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 3, 2025, 8:53 am
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Please read the case supplied in my post above.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: mitaab
Date: May 5, 2025, 7:12 pm
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> The PCN is invalid.
>
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HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54378/#msg54378
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> ff.
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Hi Hippocrates
Thank you for your response.
Pardon my ignorance, I have read the case that you supplied and
won (congratulation by the way). But I am unable to identify the
non-compliance part that renders my PCN invalid.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: mitaab
Date: May 5, 2025, 7:44 pm
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I would like to make use of the 14 days period to challenge the
PCN. I think I have two days left before it expires.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 6, 2025, 4:57 am
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PM received. Re this:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mq9MAnLdByhCxR5IzpKhvDT7LKlTOHUJ/view<br
/>
and your PCN
HTML https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ
does the latter tell you you must make representations before 28
days from the date of service or t you will be liable for a
charge certificate? I think not therefore it is ambiguous.
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: mitaab
Date: May 6, 2025, 2:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> PM received. Re this:
>
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mq9MAnLdByhCxR5IzpKhvDT7LKlTOHUJ/view
> and your PCN
>
HTML https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ
>
> does the latter tell you you must make representations before
28 days from the date of service or t you will be liable for a
charge certificate? I think not therefore it is ambiguous.
>
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Indeed, it does not!
As I understand it, it should have said "if you fail to pay the
PCN or make representation before 28 days ..... then an
increased charge of £240 maybe payable", correct?
I am going ahead with the challenge. I need your help in
phrasing it.
Shall I copy and paste the adjudicator's reasoning from the ETA
case you referenced?
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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 6, 2025, 2:43 pm
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Nope. I will draft later as this is slightly more complicated
than the case won.
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