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#Post#: 76162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: June 12, 2025, 4:53 am
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Thanks so much - really appreciated x
#Post#: 85405--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: August 12, 2025, 12:49 pm
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Hi PastMyBest,
Just checking in again on this one - it's been a long wait, I
almost forgot about it!
I've logged into the appeal portal, and they've not uploaded any
evidence.
The appeal hearing is set for September 5th 9.00 - via video
call.
Can you advise what I need to do now?
Thanks so much
GoldFishBowl25
#Post#: 86262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: August 19, 2025, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> just post on the forum to keep the tread live I will draft you
a skeleton argument all you need do is present it and answer
questions that may be asked by the adjudicator
>
> I will draft the skeleton before I visit my son mid august
though if you can do not submit it until the council upload
their evidence. I will be back well before the hearing to review
it
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi,
Can you help me with the draft argument please? I haven't seen
anything uploaded to portal in terms of evidence yet - I've
never attended one of these hearings so I have no idea what to
expect.
Thanks very much
GoldFishBowl25
#Post#: 86284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: August 19, 2025, 7:46 am
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At the moment, just wait to see if the council upload evidence.
They have to do this at least 7 days before the appeal date, to
give you time to respond.
There's a pretty decent chance they won't bother, so you'll win
by default without having to do anything.
#Post#: 88033--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: September 1, 2025, 3:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Grant Urismo link ---
>
> At the moment, just wait to see if the council upload
evidence. They have to do this at least 7 days before the appeal
date, to give you time to respond.
>
> There's a pretty decent chance they won't bother, so you'll
win by default without having to do anything.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi Grant Urismo,
I've just checked the London Tribunals portal again and I can't
see any uploaded evidence from the council. The only thing
uploaded as evidence is the "Appellant Notice of Appeal" from
June 9th (my appeal).
The hearing is this Friday 5th - and so they've missed the 7
days requirement as you mentioned. Does this mean the hearing
goes ahead and I have to attend the call or will they cancel the
call? Or is the original PCN notice and video "the evidence"?
I have no idea what to do or what to expect - please advise.
Many thanks!
GoldFishBowl25
#Post#: 88064--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: Andyjh
Date: September 2, 2025, 4:39 am
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I know this area - wouldn’t this also be an unauthorised
yellow box as the junction to the left is a private entrance to
what used to be a brewery, it’s not a public right of way.
GSV here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/H4dNA4PMwoMmxGbd6
Edit - yes it’s the same as this PCN here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/
I’m amazed Greenwich have started enforcing what is
clearly an unauthorised yellow box. Absolutely ridiculous
council.
#Post#: 88081--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 2, 2025, 7:21 am
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--- Quote from: GoldFishBowl25 link ---
>
> [quote author=Grant Urismo link=topic=6169.msg86284#msg86284
date=1755607563]
> At the moment, just wait to see if the council upload
evidence. They have to do this at least 7 days before the appeal
date, to give you time to respond.
>
> There's a pretty decent chance they won't bother, so you'll
win by default without having to do anything.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi Grant Urismo,
I've just checked the London Tribunals portal again and I can't
see any uploaded evidence from the council. The only thing
uploaded as evidence is the "Appellant Notice of Appeal" from
June 9th (my appeal).
The hearing is this Friday 5th - and so they've missed the 7
days requirement as you mentioned. Does this mean the hearing
goes ahead and I have to attend the call or will they cancel the
call? Or is the original PCN notice and video "the evidence"?
I have no idea what to do or what to expect - please advise.
Many thanks!
GoldFishBowl25
[/quote]
As Grant indicated above, Greenwich are in the habit of losing
by default for not submitting evidence. If you are still
worried, you could
1) ring the tribunal tomorrow for guidance (always used to be
helpful).
2) check the tribunal site tomorrow and Thursday for any late
uploads. If Greenwich have submitted something, ring the
Tribunal and also come back here.
For more re-assurance also have a read of the thread to which
Andyjh posted a link above.
#Post#: 88168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: September 2, 2025, 3:56 pm
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Hi John U.K and Andyjh,
Thanks so much for your response - I read the thread that Andyjh
referenced, it's the exact same issue.. well spotted! That has
actually really reassured me :D
I have checked the portal again and the council have not
uploaded any new evidence. I will give the a call tomorrow to
see what's happening with that.
Should I update my appeal with this statement from Andykh's
thread Reply#1, or just leave it as is:
"The box junction does not conform to the requirements of TSRGD
schedule 9 part 11 para 6 . I will supply more detail at a later
date before any hearing"?
Thanks for your help!
GoldFishBowl25
#Post#: 88323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: September 4, 2025, 3:23 am
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Hi all,
I've contacted London Tribunals today and they say that
Greenwich council haven't provided any evidence to date, but I
still need to attend the hearing and the adjudicator will rule
on my evidence.
Question - Do I need to add "The box junction does not conform
to the requirements of TSRGD schedule 9 part 11 para 6" to my
evidence - as per Andyjh's reply sent « on: September 02, 2025,
10:39:41 am » or just leave it?
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/<br
/>
Will they just rule in my favour if I attend - I haven't
provided any actual evidence to this portal - just my appear
letter (ChatGPT generated sadly).
Thanks for your help!
#Post#: 88641--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich PCN - 31J - Entering and stopping in a box
junction when prohibited
DIR By: GoldFishBowl25
Date: September 6, 2025, 4:28 am
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Success!!
The hearing actually didn't go ahead yesterday - I got a call
the afternoon before from London Tribunals telling me not to
attend because Greenwich haven't provided any evidence.
I received the email just now saying:
The adjudicator directs Royal Borough of Greenwich to cancel the
Penalty Charge Notice.
Adjudicator's Reasons
This appeal is listed for video hearing later today. The hearing
will not now take place given the council has not provided its
evidence, there thus being no case for the appellant to answer.
The appeal is allowed.
And that's the end of that.
Thanks everyone for your support. You're providing such a
valuable service and if it wasn't for you, I would have just
paid the fine to avoid the stress.
Turns out the fine was illegitimate in the first instance and
shouldn't have been issued... but that didn't stop the council.
I never would have stuck it out without your help.
Thank you again you absolute Rockstars!!!
GoldFishBowl25
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