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#Post#: 69437--------------------------------------------------
PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: April 30, 2025, 2:16 pm
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Hi,
Hoping the experts in this forum can help me please.
I was visiting my very elderly in - laws at their Council flat
which is on a housing estate in Battersea, Wandsworth. They
gave me a housing parking permit which was given to them by the
Wandsworth Council for anyone visiting and needing to park the
car, I displayed it in my car and parked on Austin road. It was
the first time I had used this Housing parking permit!
Came back to the car and noticed I was issued a PCN –
Contravention 12 (see attached). What I didn’t realise was that
the Housing parking permit I displayed in my car could only be
used in a designated parking area behind the block of flats
(there are 6-7 parking spots for visitors I believe). Genuinely
didn’t realise that the housing permit could not be used if
parked on Austin Road ( i.e. in front of the block of flats
where they live).
Below are the PCN Images.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/oRNJsVG.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/G7CMzp6.jpeg
NOW, REGARDING THE ISSUED PCN: -
It so happened that, I had parked my car right in front of a
parking sign which was partly defaced. This can be seen if you
zoom in and look closely at the photographic evidence that the
traffic warden has posted on Wandsworth site (there are two
pictures where the defaced sign can be partially seen with the
car in view).
HTML https://parking.wandsworth.gov.uk/pcn/
The traffic warden has rather cunningly tried to avoid taking
the picture so that the defaced sign is clearly visible. In
fact the traffic warden posted another individual photograph of
a normal parking sign but this sign has been taken on the
adjoining road around the corner (Astle Street). NOT where I had
parked my car!
Also, on a separate note there is a number on the pole of the
displayed parking sign (which the traffic warden took) which is
010 but where I parked my car the number on that pole is 008. (
can be partly seen in the council photographic evidence)
On the day I did take a picture with my car near the defaced
traffic sign, but my number plate is not visible. Also have a
picture with the defaced parking sign I took. (have attached
both the pictures).
HTML https://i.imgur.com/bkGz7hp.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/TUChJCy.jpeg
Are there any grounds to challenge this PCN – especially given
that my number plate is not visible near the defaced sign?
Hoping someone can help. Thanks.
#Post#: 69455--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 30, 2025, 4:11 pm
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Please post the permit you were given if possible. Or tell us
what code is on it. If it has a code on it, then as far as I
know, it can only be used in bays with the sign marked with the
same code.
Here is what Wandsworh has on its website about estate parking.
HTML https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/parking-permits/estates-parking/where-you-can-park-on-an-estate/
#Post#: 69469--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: April 30, 2025, 4:45 pm
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Thanks for your reply. Here is a snap of the Housing permit.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/1dMQmPy.jpeg
The traffic warden also has it in his photographic evidence on
the Wandsworth Council PCN website.
I now understand that I should not have parked there. But what
i'm trying to ascertain is whether I can challenge the PCN given
that the signage was defaced ? Meaning is the PCN that
wandsworth issued valid as the signage was defaced?
#Post#: 69470--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 30, 2025, 4:48 pm
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It's a common mistake we see to confuse estate parking with
on-street parking - it's certainly worth a go given the defaced
sign.
But I've had a look on Maps and Austin Road does look on-street
and not like an estate road.*
*Well on second look the roads there do seem to be among
estates.
#Post#: 69479--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: April 30, 2025, 5:14 pm
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Thank you for your reply.
If I were to go ahead and challenge based on the defaced
signage. Is there any traffic law/regulation as such I can quote
to say that parking signs should be maintained by the Council so
that signage is clear or something to that effect.
#Post#: 69480--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: April 30, 2025, 5:16 pm
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Yes, all the roads around have estates.
#Post#: 69481--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: April 30, 2025, 5:30 pm
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The parking for residents is around the block on Kennard street
apparently. I have just checked and those bays have a sign
saying permit Holders BP.
#Post#: 69535--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: poorthing
Date: May 1, 2025, 6:01 am
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@ Incandescent - Can I ask please- does the parking permit
specifically have to have the exact code displayed on the
Parking sign.
The Housing permit (Photograph I posted) Just says battersea
Park....does there have to be a code on the Housing parking
permit as you mentioned?
Thanks.
#Post#: 69543--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 1, 2025, 6:36 am
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--- Quote from: poorthing link ---
>
> @ Incandescent - Can I ask please- does the parking permit
specifically have to have the exact code displayed on the
Parking sign.
>
> The Housing permit (Photograph I posted) Just says battersea
Park....does there have to be a code on the Housing parking
permit as you mentioned?
>
> Thanks.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would expect the visitor permit to have the same code as if
the resident you visited had been granted a permit, but I don't
know the detail of how Wandsworth operate these visitor permits.
Certainly, I would not expect a visitor permit to apply to any
of the codes as that would give a visitor better parking options
than the residents.
#Post#: 69573--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN -Contravention 12 - WANDSWORTH Council (Defaced sign)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 1, 2025, 10:15 am
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OP, look at the reverse of the permit and you should see its
usage terms and conditions.
On the subject of signs, look at the authority's photo evidence.
You'll see a traffic sign which is clear..
..but GSV shows it's clearly not yours or even the next one, but
the next.
Why, I wonder?
Can your relatives take photos of these signs pl.
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