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#Post#: 69664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 2, 2025, 3:32 am
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I have yesterday taken on another case (bus lane) and will be
taking my formal complaint re their website to its final
destination.
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: May 2, 2025, 3:43 am
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Thanks for all the help, I will submit my representation today
and will update this post in a few months when they reject it...
#Post#: 69671--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 2, 2025, 4:07 am
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[quote author=cupotea link=topic=6147.msg69668#msg69668
date=1746175382]
Thanks for all the help, I will submit my representation today
and will update this post in a few months when they reject it...
[/quote]
A few days or weeks more likely.
Meanwhile, I am gathering support for this which I will
spearhead.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/attention-all-recipients-of-pcns-from-lambeth-lewisham-andor-southwark-proposed-/
#Post#: 69677--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: May 2, 2025, 4:24 am
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I've shared that link out, thanks.
Fyi last year it took 8 months give or take from initial
representation to tribunal cancelling a pcn, with the Southwark
responses being I think a month for the first rejection and then
3 or 4 months I think it was for the 2nd, so we'll see.
#Post#: 72716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: May 22, 2025, 5:27 am
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Hello again. I've had the expected rejection from Southwark. Any
suggestions - assume I stick to my guns? Does seem unfair, looks
like they've now moved that camera to another spot.
Here is the rejection:
[img width=1100
height=1108]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/HgrtYBr.jpeg[/img]
[img width=1100
height=1059]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/awgfjfj.jpeg[/img]
And something else I noticed. The no entry signs are new(ish),
however for the RH side no-entry sign (nearside to the driver)
they have used the existing post which is meant for Redcross
Way, it's not on Union Street. The post now looks like this:
[img width=1079
height=1786]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/TqDsbyI.jpeg[/img]
Although you can see both in this photo it is clearly in the
other street:
[img width=952 height=608]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/h7lUxqC.jpeg[/img]
Also measurement A is approx 2.1m from the pavement (so below
the 2.15m it should be), and B is over 3m, possibly closer to 4m
from the roadside itself so surely this signpost isn't valid?
Although there is still the road marking (which I had driven
over the wrong direction) and the other signpost which appears
to be valid but would've been hard to see if i'm reversing. I
don't even think my car was fully past either post, only the
road marking - does that make a difference?
Thanks for any help with a response on this one.
#Post#: 72739--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: stamfordman Date: May 22, 2025, 6:51 am
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There's no dashed line on the road and you're right I think that
it isn't clear you breached the signs.
They also ignored the wording challenge - Hippo is on top of
this.
I think you have a very good chance at adjudication although
some adjudicators can be fickle.
There's a chance that Southwark won't contest too.
#Post#: 72854--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 22, 2025, 2:37 pm
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[quote author=stamfordman link=topic=6147.msg72739#msg72739
date=1747914667]
There's no dashed line on the road and you're right I think that
it isn't clear you breached the signs.
They also ignored the wording challenge - Hippo is on top of
this.
I think you have a very good chance at adjudication although
some adjudicators can be fickle.
There's a chance that Southwark won't contest too.
[/quote]
I am. Please stay with us. I am in pre-action protocol mode re
their PCNs and website for High Court.
Your case: failure to consider is a ground of appeal. PM sent.
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 30, 2025, 6:03 pm
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PM received. let's go for it.
#Post#: 74272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: June 2, 2025, 5:18 am
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Morning,
I've received the rejection in the post this morning and re-read
it (the same one I posted on here earlier, I haven't sent
anything to the tribunal as yet). They rejected because, "...our
camera evidence shows your vehicle disobeying a 'no-entry'
sign... The CCTV footage shows the vehicle stationary before the
restriction then reversing past the no entry signs and road
markings..."
On Google Maps back in March 2017 there was a lamp post parallel
with the current one and both had 'no-entry' signs on them:
[img width=1100
height=415]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/HtuJfzt.jpeg[/img]
By Sept 2017 one lamp post had been removed (ahead of the
dedicated cycle path being installed) and the 'no-entry' sign
removed from the remaining post:
[img width=1100
height=444]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Zcb1d1g.jpeg[/img]
The 'no-entry' signs reappeared at some point since last summer
(the last time on maps you can see they're missing). The NO
ENTRY roadmarking is set well back from the posts and so
shouldn't be used as a guide. I've marked up the current
overhead view in the snip below:
- The red dots are the posts the current 'no-entry' signs are
fixed to - the original lamp post (on the left as you drive) and
a post which is set back from Union Street and belongs to
Redcross Way. They're not in line with each other and are well
ahead of the NO ENTRY road marking.
- The green rectangle is the spot I reversed in to.
- The purple dot is the post where the camera was fixed and the
purple lines are its lines of sight. As per the video evidence
they provided the camera is unable to see either sign post, the
view is blocked by a tree on the left and a house on the right
As such, I don't think they have any evidence that my car
actually reversed past these signs:
[img width=1100
height=677]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/gH2tEQc.jpeg[/img]
I just wanted to provide this in case it helps, thanks.
#Post#: 76118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: June 11, 2025, 5:41 pm
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Date of NOR is 21st May so we have plenty of time to file the
appeal.
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