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#Post#: 69399--------------------------------------------------
Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restricti
on, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: April 30, 2025, 10:27 am
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Hi all,
I've received a PCN for reversing into a no entry restriction.
I'm a local resident and have a resident parking permit, there
were 3 resident bays behind me and 2 ahead. The 2 ahead are my
preference but were full so I reversed back to a spare space in
the row of 3. I wasn't aware this was a no entry (i've lived
here a few years). Although the road marking is old the "no
entry" signs and camera are new, i've only just noticed them
since the ticket. I knew it was a one way road though but
thought I was ok as was reversing into a parking spot (as is
clear on the video footage in the PCN).
[img width=1100
height=1546]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/gcvfe66.jpeg[/img]
This is a streetview image with the new no entry signs:
[img width=684 height=581]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/uG7FPfu.jpeg[/img]
I don't think i've got much of a case, I know you can reverse to
a spot on a one way road but I think the no entry sign negates
that option.
Thanks for any advice.
#Post#: 69409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: stamfordman Date: April 30, 2025, 11:09 am
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We had another reverse parking one here the other day but driver
clearly stopped in time and they had to cancel.
I see they've put a no entry sign up on Union Street - that is
fairly recent (not there in 2022). I didn't realise that.
I think they can't prove you breached the sign and you should go
for stopping and just engaging in a parking manoeuvre. In any
case it's not a manoeuvre that breaches the intent of the
traffic situation.
[img width=384
height=288]
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Y7QtSM8K/so1-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif[/img]
Other case - looks like your car was already parked there which
could be good evidence.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/failed-to-comply-with-no-entry-restriction-but-i-just-reversed-to-park/msg56874/#msg56874
HTML https://i.imgur.com/fEqDdRf.gif
#Post#: 69422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: April 30, 2025, 12:47 pm
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The statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has
not been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
with the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued
increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to
£195.00” is the issue. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a)
states from the date of service. In light of this, the PCN is
invalid. Please cancel.
#Post#: 69433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: April 30, 2025, 1:55 pm
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Thank you both for your responses. Having just gone through
about 9 months of waiting etc before my last ticket vs Southwark
was eventually cancelled I have very little hope of Southwark
cancelling this ticket in the first instance - I think their
default stance is to reject. Looking at the earlier case, it
seems the camera just isn't calibrated properly or is in the
wrong location (or they need to move the parking bay). But in
the hope of this being a quick win and I can forget about it
will the procedural impropriety be sufficient or do I also
mention that I was just parking?
I've chatgpt'd a response - would this do? Thanks.
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I am writing to formally challenge the issuance of PCN [insert
PCN number] on the grounds of procedural impropriety as defined
under the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England)
General Regulations 2007.
The wording on the PCN states:
“If full payment has not been made before the end of the period
of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice, a Charge
Certificate may be issued increasing the amount outstanding by
50% to £195.00.”
This is factually and legally incorrect. Under Schedule 1,
Paragraphs 1 and 2 of the aforementioned regulations, the 28-day
period must begin with the date of service of the notice, not
the date the notice is issued.
The date of service is legally defined as two working days after
the notice is posted, and this misstatement effectively shortens
the period during which I may lawfully make payment or
representations. This amounts to a procedural impropriety, as
the notice fails to comply with statutory requirements.
Given that the notice misstates my legal rights, I respectfully
request that this PCN be cancelled immediately on the grounds of
procedural impropriety.
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#Post#: 69466--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: stamfordman Date: April 30, 2025, 4:39 pm
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I wouldn't give up on challenging the contravention - you are a
resident who reverse parked when you saw other nearer bays were
full ahead. The video does not capture you driving head first
past a no entry sign, after all.
I would make this the primary ground and follow that with a note
about the PCN wording, which then puts them on notice that they
are unlikely to get away with this and so they may bail out on
not enforcing a contravention I think would not convince all
adjudicators.
#Post#: 69512--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 1, 2025, 4:57 am
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Please screenshot their webpage re payment.
#Post#: 69546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: May 1, 2025, 6:39 am
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Hi, sorry not sure which page you mean?
[img width=1100
height=981]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/s7dcUe1.jpeg[/img]
[img width=1100
height=860]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2UKfzEv.jpeg[/img]
How does this sound:
I am challenging PCN JK15110451 on two grounds: (1) the
contravention did not occur, and (2) procedural impropriety.
The PCN alleges contravention code 51J – Failing to comply with
a no entry restriction (camera enforcement). At the time of the
incident, I was reversing into a permitted on-street bay, for
which I hold a valid resident permit. I had driven past the bay,
then reversed back into it. I did not drive forward through any
restriction. While the video shows a no entry marking painted on
the road, I was reversing and did not see this. The manoeuvre
was a routine reverse park into a familiar bay, not a deliberate
attempt to enter a restricted area.
I also note that this is not an isolated incident. In PCN
JK1269838A, issued to another vehicle in similar circumstances,
my car is already visible parked in the same bay in the footage.
This not only shows that I use this bay regularly, but also
suggests that vehicles are being routinely ticketed for what is
in fact a common and lawful reverse parking manoeuvre. This
raises concern that enforcement in this location is being
applied unfairly or in a manner that does not reflect how the
space is typically used.
Separately, the PCN contains a procedural impropriety. It
states: “The Penalty Charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice" which
is incorrect. Schedule 1, paragraphs 5(1) and 5(2)(a) of the
Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General
Regulations 2007 require the 28-day period to begin from the
date of service of the notice. This misstatement shortens the
statutory response time and is grounds for cancellation.
In light of both the facts and the procedural error, I request
that the PCN be cancelled.
#Post#: 69559--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: Hippocrates Date: May 1, 2025, 7:44 am
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[quote author=cupotea link=topic=6147.msg69546#msg69546
date=1746099546]
How does this sound:
I am challenging PCN JK15110451 on two grounds: (1) the
contravention did not occur, and (2) [s]procedural impropriety.
[/s] collateral challenge
The PCN alleges contravention code 51J – Failing to comply with
a no entry restriction (camera enforcement). At the time of the
incident, I was reversing into a permitted on-street bay, for
which I hold a valid resident permit. I had driven past the bay,
then reversed back into it. I did not drive forward through any
restriction. While the video shows a no entry marking painted on
the road, I was reversing and did not see this. The manoeuvre
was a routine reverse park into a familiar bay, not a deliberate
attempt to enter a restricted area.
I also note that this is not an isolated incident. In PCN
JK1269838A, issued to another vehicle in similar circumstances,
my car is already visible parked in the same bay in the footage.
This not only shows that I use this bay regularly, but also
suggests that vehicles are being routinely ticketed for what is
in fact a common and lawful reverse parking manoeuvre. This
raises concern that enforcement in this location is being
applied unfairly or in a manner that does not reflect how the
space is typically used.
S[s]eparately, the PCN contains a procedural impropriety. It
states: “The Penalty Charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice" which
is incorrect. Schedule 1, paragraphs 5(1) and 5(2)(a) of the
Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General
Regulations 2007 require the 28-day period to begin from the
date of service of the notice. This misstatement shortens the
statutory response time and is grounds for cancellation.
[/s]
In light of both the facts and [s]the procedural error[/s]
collateral challenge , I request that the PCN be cancelled.
[/quote]
Procedural impropriety is not a ground. This instead: The
statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has not
been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with
the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued
increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to
£195.00” is the issue. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a)
states from the date of service. In light of this collateral
challenge, the PCN is invalid.
***
I meant this from website page:
Ticket ReferenceJK15110451
Your PCN is at discount stage. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberDE16KGG
ColourBLACK
MakeVOLKSWAGEN
Contravention51j - Failing to comply with a no entry restriction
(camera enforcement)
LocationUNION STREET JUNCTION REDCROSS WAY
First seen atMon, 21 Apr 2025 21:48
Issued atMon, 21 Apr 2025 21:48
Served byPost
The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will
increase to £160.00. Please pay £80.00 now. I say this is
unlawful as you have not even made repsrenatations yet!
****
www.southwark.gov.uk/pcn or go to home page and parking.
View the evidence, pay or challenge my Penalty Charge Notice
(PCN)
This portal is specifically PCNs issued by the London Borough of
Southwark that begin with JK.
Enter your ticket reference
This is the reference near the top of the ticket. It starts with
JK followed by numbers sometimes with A on the end
Enter your vehicle registration number
#Post#: 69562--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: cupotea Date: May 1, 2025, 8:19 am
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[img width=968
height=1081]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/G9ecnE0.jpeg[/img]
I assume you mean this?
Thanks for the wording, just to note that as they have now
raised their charges the 50% raises this one to £240 (not £195
as you stated, but it would've been that on previous PCNs):
I am challenging PCN JK15110451 on two grounds: (1) the
contravention did not occur, and (2) collateral challenge.
The PCN alleges contravention code 51J – Failing to comply with
a no entry restriction (camera enforcement). At the time of the
incident, I was reversing into a permitted on-street bay, for
which I hold a valid resident permit. I had driven past the bay,
then reversed back into it. I did not drive forward through any
restriction. While the video shows a no entry marking painted on
the road, I was reversing and did not see this. The manoeuvre
was a routine reverse park into a familiar bay, not a deliberate
attempt to enter a restricted area.
I also note that this is not an isolated incident. In PCN
JK1269838A, issued to another vehicle in similar circumstances,
my car is already visible parked in the same bay in the footage.
This not only shows that I use this bay regularly, but also
suggests that vehicles are being routinely ticketed for what is
in fact a common and lawful reverse parking manoeuvre. This
raises concern that enforcement in this location is being
applied unfairly or in a manner that does not reflect how the
space is typically used.
The statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has
not been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
with the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued
increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to £240.00” is the
issue. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a) states from the date
of service. In light of this collateral challenge, the PCN is
invalid.
In light of both the facts and the collateral challenge , I
request that the PCN be cancelled.
#Post#: 69569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restr
iction, union street/redcross way, SE1
By: stamfordman Date: May 1, 2025, 9:47 am
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I would keep 'Separately,' to start the wording challenge, and
instead of 'is the issue' - 'is wrong'.
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