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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: Bustagate
Date: May 6, 2025, 4:35 pm
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Thank you. Second draft attached.
What stage is Brazilianx at?
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: brazilianx
Date: May 7, 2025, 4:25 am
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I submitted the initial challenge within the 14 day discount
period on Monday and the PCN is on hold - please see attached.
Let's see what happens (but I think we know where this is going)
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: Bustagate
Date: May 7, 2025, 12:47 pm
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Your representations didn't include that the TMO didn't apply to
the area of road where you were. I'd be inclined to upload
CamroseNote2b.pdf now rather than seek to add it at the appeal
stage. If their system won't allow this, print it out and send
it to them, with a covering note, by snail mail. Get a
certificate of posting.
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: brazilianx
Date: May 7, 2025, 2:55 pm
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Knowing that they would reject the challenge whatever I wrote,
the reason I didn't include this was to keep some powder dry and
not give them a chance to offer a BS response such that we
couldn't use it again later on. That was my thought process.
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: Bustagate
Date: May 9, 2025, 9:59 am
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As H C Andersen wrote (Reply #24), adjudicators don't like
ambushes. The more opportunity Harrow have had to respond to a
line of argument, and the more BS their response, the less an
adjudicator needs to give Harrow further opportunity to respond.
With this particular line of argument, it was in my son's
representations but they ignored it. The adjudicator asked them
to provide a detailed response to the appeal document, which
included the aerial view to show which was the southern and
which the northern traffic island. Harrow did not mention it in
their Adjournment Evidence. It was only at the reconvened
hearing, when asked directly about it, that they produced their
explanation.
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 9, 2025, 2:28 pm
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Did Mr Greenslade invite or require their attendance?
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Appeal 2250053451
DIR By: brazilianx
Date: May 29, 2025, 7:12 am
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FYI I received my NoR this morning - posted here in the thread
for my PCN
Link here NoR
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/harrow-camrose-avenue-bus-gate-33e-(april-2025)/msg73783/#msg73783
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