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       #Post#: 78997--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 50 in a 30 zone
   DIR By: tonys
       Date: July 1, 2025, 2:08 am
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       --- Quote from: Idlejack link ---
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       > Thanks for the replies. I didn't see the signs, they were just
       off a heavily congested roundabout. They were 75cm at the time,
       I have some photographic and video evidence of this.
       >
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       Let's see the photos.
       #Post#: 79016--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 50 in a 30 zone
   DIR By: Idlejack
       Date: July 1, 2025, 4:42 am
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       My inclination is just to accept the fine and points but Traffic
       signs manual chapter 8 part 1 pg.29 states that the signs for
       the start of the temporary speed limit change must be meet a
       certain size criteria to be enforceable. In this case it was
       meant to be 1200mm in diameter for a dual carriageway of 50mph.
       Most importantly directly following this information in the
       manual is a statement that 'The police can only enforce speed
       limits where the speed limit signs are correctly placed and
       conform to the requirements of the Regulations.' Is this true or
       are these just guidelines?
       The signs have since been replaced with 1200mm and moved further
       up the road.
       #Post#: 79021--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 50 in a 30 zone
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: July 1, 2025, 5:31 am
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       --- Quote from: Idlejack link ---
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       > ... but Traffic signs manual chapter 8 part 1 pg.29 states
       that the signs for the start of the temporary speed limit change
       must be meet a certain size criteria to be enforceable.
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       No it doesn't - unless you found an outdated version and
       incorrectly cited it.
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       > Most importantly directly following this information in the
       manual is a statement that 'The police can only enforce speed
       limits where the speed limit signs are correctly placed and
       conform to the requirements of the Regulations.' Is this true or
       are these just guidelines?
       >
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       This has already been answered. If we agree with you, will you
       stop asking the same question?
       #Post#: 79024--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 50 in a 30 zone
   DIR By: Idlejack
       Date: July 1, 2025, 5:52 am
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       Must be outdated. Apologies for wasting everyone's valuable
       time.
       #Post#: 79072--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 50 in a 30 zone
   DIR By: 666
       Date: July 1, 2025, 8:19 am
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       [quote author=Idlejack link=topic=6103.msg79016#msg79016
       date=1751362961]
       Most importantly directly following this information in the
       manual is a statement that 'The police can only enforce speed
       limits where the speed limit signs are correctly placed and
       conform to the requirements of the Regulations.' Is this true or
       are these just guidelines?]
       The statement is true, but read it carefully. The signs must
       conform to the Regulations, not to the Manual. The former is
       law, the latter is guidance.
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