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#Post#: 68952--------------------------------------------------
50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: Idlejack
Date: April 27, 2025, 6:13 pm
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Hi,I received a NIP recently. I was clocked at 50 in a temporary
30 zone (roadworks further along, normally 50 limit).I was
probably only at that speed for a few seconds whilst
overtaking,was doing 35 when I spotted the police van.
I'm wondering how likely a summons is? Some people say 49mph is
the upper limit for a chance of a fixed penalty notice, some say
50.
I've been driving for 40 years without penalty ( which I don't
think makes any difference sadly)
#Post#: 68954--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: April 27, 2025, 6:25 pm
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Nailed on.
Fixed penalty up to (and including) 49. SJPN 50 and above.
Broadly speaking, we have no interest in what unidentified and
uninformed people say.
#Post#: 68977--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: April 28, 2025, 4:23 am
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After you have responded by naming yourself as the driver, the
next thing you can expect is a “Single Justice Procedure Notice”
informing you of court proceedings. The police have six months
from the date of the offence to issue this and in many areas
they take all of that time.
The recommended sentence for 50 mph in a 30 limit is a fine of a
week’s net income (reduced by a third for a guilty plea) and
either a disqualification of up to 28 days or 4-6 points. The
strong likelihood is six points. You will also pay a surcharge
of 40% of the fine and prosecution costs of around £90.
#Post#: 69009--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: Idlejack
Date: April 28, 2025, 7:42 am
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Thanks for your time and knowledge.
#Post#: 78877--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: Idlejack
Date: June 30, 2025, 8:03 am
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Hi, I have a further question relating to this post. I am
currently awaiting a summons. A great many people were caught
speeding in this temporary 30 zone and it has been brought to my
attention that the terminal signs were too small initially (for
about 2 months actually). They were supposed to be 1.2m and were
actually 75cm ( like many others I didn't see them). The road is
dual carriageway with a 50mph limit normally. Presumably if I
wanted to contest the prosecution I would need to plead not
guilty and go to court? If I pleaded guilty and put this in my
mitigation what would a likely outcome be? Thanks for your
attention.
#Post#: 78879--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 30, 2025, 8:22 am
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If you wanted to contest it then you would have to plead not
guilty.
It is not mitigation (and the court should not accept it as
such) because if the speed limit was not adequately conveyed
then that would be a defence (so the court should reject your
guilty plea).
You would be relying on the court finding that the limit was not
adequately conveyed. It is not as simple as saying that the
signs should be x but were y. If they were “too small” but still
adequately conveyed the limit, that is enough.
#Post#: 78882--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: 666
Date: June 30, 2025, 8:34 am
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--- Quote from: Idlejack link ---
>
> Hi, I have a further question relating to this post. I am
currently awaiting a summons. A great many people were caught
speeding in this temporary 30 zone and it has been brought to my
attention that the terminal signs were too small initially (for
about 2 months actually). They were supposed to be 1.2m and were
actually 75cm ( like many others I didn't see them). The road is
dual carriageway with a 50mph limit normally. Presumably if I
wanted to contest the prosecution I would need to plead not
guilty and go to court? If I pleaded guilty and put this in my
mitigation what would a likely outcome be? Thanks for your
attention.
>
--- End Quote ---
If my reading of the Traffic Signs Manual is correct, a 1.2m
sign on a dual carriageway is only needed when the approach
limit is 70. At 50, as in your case, 900mm is normal but 750mm
may be used in certain circumstances.
In any event, these are simply guidance, not the law.
#Post#: 78899--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: June 30, 2025, 9:06 am
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What size was the sign when you passed it? Did it "adequately
convey" the limit to you?
#Post#: 78902--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: Idlejack
Date: June 30, 2025, 9:14 am
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Thanks for the replies. I didn't see the signs, they were just
off a heavily congested roundabout. They were 75cm at the time,
I have some photographic and video evidence of this.
#Post#: 78920--------------------------------------------------
Re: 50 in a 30 zone
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: June 30, 2025, 10:20 am
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--- Quote from: Idlejack link ---
>
> I didn't see the signs, they were just off a heavily congested
roundabout. They were 75cm at the time, I have some photographic
and video evidence of this.
>
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The question is not whether you saw the signs or not but whether
the limit was adequately conveyed. Your evidence may actually
show it was?
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