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Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: April 26, 2025, 10:53 am
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Received a PCN for paying in a bay which requires paid parking.
Appealed the PCN with screenshot of telephone evidence that I
was on phone trying to pay whilst PCN was being issued but that
has been rejected
Is this worth fighting? Is there not a five minute grace
window?
My evidence showed me attempiting to pay at 11:57 and the ticket
was issued at 11:59 - What are my legal rights
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 26, 2025, 12:58 pm
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So did you pay? Did you walk away from the car?
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: April 26, 2025, 1:38 pm
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I was at the car looking at the code to put in phone and the
enforcement officer was hiding before putting ticket on taking a
picture and walking away before I could grab him
When I saw him he didnt engage and walked away
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 26, 2025, 5:10 pm
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--- Quote from: HateTFL link ---
>
> I was at the car looking at the code to put in phone and the
enforcement officer was hiding before putting ticket on taking a
picture and walking away before I could grab him
>
> When I saw him he didnt engage and walked away
>
--- End Quote ---
Can you describe exactly what happened between you parking the
car, through to the PCN slapping a PCN on your windscreen. Most
cases like this happen when the driver is not actually at or
near the car.
Time is always allowed for payment to park; if it wasn't, nobody
could park legally ! However, how much time is allowable is one
of those undefined things that depends on circumstances. From
what you have said already, you would seem to have a strong case
for cancellation. Barnet are one of the more venal and rapacious
London councils, but what you have received is sent out by all
the London councils, being a Fob-Off letter. They do this
because lengthy experience, (since an Act of 1991 !!) tells them
that most people then cough-up. People pay because they know
little about the process and are terrified of having to pay more
so accept the discount option.
If you want to take them all the way, then if you are the owner
as per the V5C Registration Certificate for the car, you should
now wait for the Notice to Owner and submit formal
representations. It is quite possible they will accept your
reps, but if they don't you register an appeal with London
Tribunals, (a simple online request). Yes the full PCN will be
in play, but when or if you win, you pay nothing, but Barnet
will have had to pay £30 to London Tribunals.
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: April 27, 2025, 2:37 am
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I park the car and get out - I walk five metres to see the board
to get the phone number and parking location code. This is at
11:56AM
I call the number to pay at 11:57 and try and enter my card
details
At 11:59 I see the enforcement offer at my car and approach him
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I see the ticket on windscreen and try and explain to him but he
is not interested
I have proof I was on the phone to Barnet pay at 11:57
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 27, 2025, 5:08 am
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So, based on what you've told us, this is pretty much a
'slam-dunk' win at London Tribunals. But first you have to go
through submitting reps against a Notice to Owner, then when
rejected, register an appeal at London Tribunals.
Please tell us if you are the owner or not, because the above
doesn't apply if you aren't. Only the owner can receive and
respond to, an NtO.
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 27, 2025, 5:34 am
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The PCN and your VRM pl. Also, a GSV of the location. Pl repost
their reply leaving in everything except your personal details.
We need to see the council's evidence as regards photos(to do
which we need the PCN number and your VRM), also a GSV to assess
where the traffic sign is located vis-a-vis your car.
Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
Sorry for all the questions but we need to get these facts in
play.
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 27, 2025, 7:26 am
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And once again, did you pay for a session?
Or did you drive away or leave the car with a served PCN?
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: April 28, 2025, 3:53 am
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Their reply was in the photo attached - Appeal denied
Either I pay 40 or wait and take to tribunal and then pay 80.
I did not continue with the parking after I got the ticket - The
enforcement officer basically hides in a shop window and then
puts the ticket on the window
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Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: April 28, 2025, 3:56 am
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Please show us the pcn with absolutely nothing covered up.
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