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#Post#: 69099--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: April 28, 2025, 3:30 pm
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Did the change in penalty come into force for offences from 7
April or PCNs issued/served from 7 April? Offence in this case
was prior to 7 April...
#Post#: 69102--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 28, 2025, 3:37 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
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> Did the change in penalty come into force for offences from 7
April or PCNs issued/served from 7 April? Offence in this case
was prior to 7 April...
>
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London councils could charge the higher penalties beginning with
contraventions on 7 April. One council didn't start doing this
until 14 April (Haringey I think).
#Post#: 69104--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: April 28, 2025, 3:48 pm
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This alleged contravention was on 3 April so is the penalty
demanded not correct in that case?
#Post#: 69106--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 28, 2025, 4:08 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> This alleged contravention was on 3 April so is the penalty
demanded not correct in that case?
>
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Yes, it is correct.
HTML https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/news-and-press-releases/2025/london-boroughs-raise-parking-and-traffic-pcn-levels-first-time-2011-0
#Post#: 69162--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 29, 2025, 4:30 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> 1. The penalty charge as stated on the PCN subceeds the
correct amount which came into force on 7th April.
>
> 2. The video does not show the situation upon alleged entry
into the YBJ and so it follows that the alleged contravention is
not proved. I refer you to the following cases:
>
>
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Place%20Invaders%20Ltd.doc
>
> In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.
>
> If they reject, I am happy to assist.
>
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Oops, my bad yet again.
#Post#: 69163--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 29, 2025, 4:30 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> [quote author=MrChips link=topic=6071.msg69104#msg69104
date=1745873332]
> This alleged contravention was on 3 April so is the penalty
demanded not correct in that case?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, it is correct.
HTML https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/news-and-press-releases/2025/london-boroughs-raise-parking-and-traffic-pcn-levels-first-time-2011-0
[/quote]
Apologies. Time for Specsavers.
#Post#: 70423--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Mike_D
Date: May 7, 2025, 11:09 am
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Guys,
I am making the representation.
What should I mark as the Representation Reason?
A - The alleged Contravention did not occur
F - There has been a procedural impropriety by the Enforcement
Authority
I - Other?
#Post#: 70426--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 7, 2025, 11:19 am
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Please show the representation first. If you are going with the
video issue, contravention did not occur. Leave the website for
now.
#Post#: 70429--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Mike_D
Date: May 7, 2025, 11:35 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please show the representation first. If you are going with
the video issue, contravention did not occur. Leave the website
for now.
>
--- End Quote ---
Maybe I don't get something here, but I was going to go exactly
as you advised:
The video does not show the situation upon alleged entry into
the YBJ and so it follows that the alleged contravention is not
proved. I refer you to the following cases:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Place%20Invaders%20Ltd.doc
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.
By the way, if I take this approach now, and they reject it,
will I be able to go with another approach ("I was going to take
the left lane leaving the junction just after that beige Nissan
Micra, but I looked in the mirror and got scared by that big van
coming right behind me at high speed – so I stayed on the right
lane for my safety, not blocking any traffic after all?") before
the London Tribunals?
#Post#: 70434--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box
junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 7, 2025, 12:27 pm
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By the way, if I take this approach now, and they reject it,
will I be able to go with another approach ("I was going to take
the left lane leaving the junction just after that beige Nissan
Micra, but I looked in the mirror and got scared by that big van
coming right behind me at high speed – so I stayed on the right
lane for my safety, not blocking any traffic after all?") before
the London Tribunals?
For later.
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