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#Post#: 67966--------------------------------------------------
52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: bertie21980
Date: April 21, 2025, 5:02 pm
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Hello everyone,
I have received a PCN for driving through a road that's
prohibited to motor vehicles. I have driven through this road a
few times before but this is the first time I have received a
notice. I believe there is a sign stating that if you are
loading then its ok to go through there. Anyway, here is the
PCN...
HTML https://i.ibb.co/YTNFMj9D/battersea-pcn-1edit.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/fGXz50R8
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Dfz4BdmF/battersea-pcn-2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/ZzGdQ9vr
google street view
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cWEmGik8AZLhEq7L8
As this is the first time I have received this PCN, I'm not sure
if the description below the prohibited sign has changed
recently. Unfortunately, the evidence the council has shown does
not clearly show my vehicle going through any prohibited sign.
Here is one picture from the website...
HTML https://i.ibb.co/HD2Qry2D/batterseahs2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/N63zLq36
And here is what I believe is the sign which clearly shows I'm
allowed to go through if I'm loading but it's 2 years old...
close up view
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/VwZ1fqzCTugNR49r9
So what should I do? Should I send in a appeal stating that I'm
allowed to load as there is a notice below the no motor vehicle
prohibition sign, or should I say there no clear evidence of any
motor vehicle prohibition? Maybe I should mention both?
#Post#: 67968--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 21, 2025, 5:18 pm
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Yes you can see signs part way down the road but they are very
poorly placed.
There is or was a market day sign before the turn but Saturday
only - looks like it's now 24/7.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/8gbYBmSY/w1.gif
#Post#: 67976--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 21, 2025, 6:13 pm
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--- Quote ---
> I believe there is a sign stating that if you are loading then
its ok to go through there.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, the sign allows people loading/unloading within the
restricted area to enter, but you have to submit reps that you
were engaged in loading, giving the address, and hopefully some
collateral to show you had to pass the sign in order to carry
out the loading.
If you were not loading in the restricted area, just passing
through to load soemwhere else, then I don't think you have any
case for cancellation of the PCN.
So please tell us more.
#Post#: 67979--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: bertie21980
Date: April 21, 2025, 7:58 pm
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Yes, I was doing a delivery from the cake shop on that road
which I believe is called Jack and Beyond. Fortunately, I do
have evidence of that delivery so I will appeal with the
documentation. But I will have to get additional information
from my employers just to make sure.
I would have thought they was a better way than to give out an
PCN. If the camera was better placed, then it would have
observed my vehicle coming to a stop just after that bend.
Anyway, thanks for the input :)
#Post#: 67990--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 22, 2025, 3:56 am
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But I will have to get additional information from my employers
just to make sure.
Good.
And to be sire from our perspective:
You are the registered keeper of the vehicle and the PCN is
addressed to you?
The delivery/collection was being undertaken in the course of
your employer's business and therefore the proof would include
headed works order/instruction and delivery/collection
documentation?
#Post#: 67992--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 22, 2025, 4:04 am
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Traffic order says:
Nothing in Article 3 of this Order shall apply to: -
(b) any vehicle requiring access for the purpose of loading or
unloading;
HTML https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/media/7887/tm_1822.pdf
This is from the 2020 experimental order - I assume it's been
made permanent.
Official paperwork should see this off.
#Post#: 67996--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 22, 2025, 4:10 am
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I get quite disgusted by this CCTV enforcement where there is a
clear exemption, because to get it, one has to through all the
rigamarole of submitting reps against a PCN. No doubt traders
just add the penalties onto their prices to save the hassle of
submitting reps, and then getting refused due to "lack of
proof".
#Post#: 68046--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 22, 2025, 7:10 am
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The PCN is invalid as they state they can issue a charge
certificate 28 days from the date of the notice. Back later.
The rest of the PCN please.
I make this collateral challenge re the validity of the PCN. The
period in which you may serve a charge certificate is wrongly
expressed as it is truncated. Please see Schedule I of the 2003
Act which clearly states from the date of service as provided at
para. 5(2)
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted
In light of the above, please cancel.
#Post#: 68172--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: bertie21980
Date: April 22, 2025, 6:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> The PCN is invalid as they state they can issue a charge
certificate 28 days from the date of the notice. Back later.
The rest of the PCN please.
>
> I make this collateral challenge re the validity of the PCN.
The period in which you may serve a charge certificate is
wrongly expressed as it is truncated. Please see Schedule I of
the 2003 Act which clearly states from the date of service as
provided at para. 5(2)
>
>
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted
>
> In light of the above, please cancel.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's all they sent me. Just the two pages which shows the
front and back of the PCN
#Post#: 68405--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52m - Failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of
vehicles - Battersea High Street SW11
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 24, 2025, 4:42 am
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What have you written?
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