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#Post#: 69186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: PaulCE11
Date: April 29, 2025, 6:53 am
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Thank you very much for your time and putting the letter
together [member=43]MrChips[/member], it is very much
appreciated.
#Post#: 75691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: PaulCE11
Date: June 10, 2025, 1:57 am
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Hi again
Thanks for all the assistance so far.
Unsurprisingly, a letter has arrived from Waltham Forest
rejecting my representation - with the option to appeal.
I'm assuming I submit what my representations were to LBWF in
exactly the same way to the adjudicator
[member=43]MrChips[/member]?
You can see why people just pay it off
With many thanks
Paul
#Post#: 75694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 10, 2025, 3:10 am
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When registering an appeal, opt for a personal hearing (will be
video oor telephone) - never choose decision on papers.
Please post the letter of rejection (only redact yr name &
address).
#Post#: 75805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 10, 2025, 9:56 am
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Yes, please share the notice of rejection so we can see to what
extent they've considered your representations.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: PaulCE11
Date: June 10, 2025, 10:13 am
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Thanks @JohnUK and [member=43]MrChips[/member]
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: PaulCE11
Date: June 10, 2025, 10:28 am
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you can understand why it seems easier just to pay it >:(
#Post#: 75833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 10, 2025, 10:58 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> Should you reject these representations please confirm that
you have carefully considered (and understood!) my point above
by explaining the basis for your belief that there was not space
for my vehicle to move forwards sufficiently to clear the box.
In particular I kindly request that a templated statement of the
sort that "the CCTV evidence confirms the vehicle entered and
stopped in the box junction without ensuring that the exit was
clear" is backed up with some sort of explanation as to how
precisely this has been "confirmed" by Waltham Forest given, as
per my argument above, a cursory review of the video images
alone does not confirm the length of clear space ahead in any
way. I emphasise again that merely stopping within a box
junction is not in itself a contravention, there has to be
insufficient space to a stationary vehicle ahead to allow the
vehicle to exit the box junction.
>
>
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--- Quote from: Waltham Forest ---
>
> The PCN was issued because the CCTV evidence confirms that the
vehicle entered and stopped in the box junction without ensuring
that the exit was clear.
>
> I have carefully considered your case and whilst I appreciate
the circumstances outlined in your correspondence they are not
sufficient grounds for cancellation of the PCN in question. The
footage shows that the contravention occurred, the vehicle
should not have entered the Box Junction unless it could clear
the exit.
>
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#Post#: 75850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 10, 2025, 11:52 am
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By the way, the opportunity to settle at discount ends
today/tomorrow (depending on whether the 14 day period commences
on or from the assumed date of service of the notice of
rejection - the letter doesn't make it clear).
My view is that you have more than a 50% chance of success, but
we can never guarantee 100%. The fact the notice of rejection
completely fails to address your main appeal point ups the odds
of a win a bit. The letter also shows a complete
misunderstanding of the rules, and suggests that any stop in the
box will result in service of a PCN which shouldn't be the case.
#Post#: 76020--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: PaulCE11
Date: June 11, 2025, 9:33 am
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thanks [member=43]MrChips[/member]
Your mention of the 14 days has also alerted me to the fact that
the letter took almost 2 weeks to arrive - so when does the
'served' kick in.
Another reason to not just give into them.
Thanks for all your advice!
#Post#: 76024--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, code 31 entering/stopping box junction,
yellow box, High Road/Bush Road E11
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 11, 2025, 9:48 am
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I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is it is served when it
is received at your address. However, there is a presumption of
service (when posted 1st class which they are obliged to do) two
working days after posting unless you can sufficiently
demonstrate otherwise. So, if you can show somehow it arrived
yesterday (or whenever) then that's the service date, otherwise
it's 28 May.
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