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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: June 21, 2025, 1:57 pm
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Thanks for all the advice provided this far. I'll be back.
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LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:03 am
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Original thread here:
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TLDR: Euro Car Parks want £100 for parking in their car park for
14 minutes. The driver parked there having been told they were
exempt.
Hello, I've now had a LoC and a letter from HM Courts and
Tribunals Service. I am sihtting myself if I'm honest and am
tempted to just pay the fine, plus interest, plus court costs,
which totals nearly three times the original fine. I'm hoping
you guys can give me some advice and confidence.
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
DIR By: jfollows
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:08 am
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If you defend, you either need to submit a defence by 18 May, or
an Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May and a defence by 1 June.
Know that DCB Legal usually discontinue cases in the face of a
defence.
Search the forum for examples.
Who told you you didn’t need to pay? This needs to be part of
your defence.
Can you post the original Notice to Keeper also? This can open
more avenues to your defence. It’s no longer visible in your
other thread.
Please ask moderators to merge the two threads which cover the
same incident. I have requested this for you.
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
DIR By: Dave65
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:11 am
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Did you reply to the letter before claim?
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:21 am
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I replied to the original NtK with an appeal as directed here.
I've not replied to anything since.
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
>
> If you defend, you either need to submit a defence by 18 May,
or an Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May and a defence by 1
June.
>
> Know that DCB Legal usually discontinue cases in the face of a
defence.
>
> Search the forum for examples.
>
> Who told you you didn’t need to pay? This needs to be part of
your defence.
>
> Can you post the original Notice to Keeper also? This can open
more avenues to your defence. It’s no longer visible in your
other thread.
>
> Please ask moderators to merge the two threads which cover the
same incident. I have requested this for you.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for sorting the merge.
The driver was viewing a flat. The Landlord has told the driver
to park in that car park. The driver may no longer have contact
details for the landlord.
I'll try and find the original NtK now.
Thanks.
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 1, 2026, 10:28 am
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 2, 2026, 5:23 am
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Please could someone cast their eye over the following defence
before I submit it online? TIA.
The driver went to view a flat. The landlord told them to park
behind building A and said that they were covered by a residents
permit. The driver saw the ECP sign but due to how illegible it
was and holding the honestly held belief that they were covered
by a residents permit parked up, walked round to the flat and
when they got no answer called the landlord. Turned out the
landlord had given the driver the wrong address. He should have
sent the driver to building B which is next door and has it's
own car park. The driver left the car park after 14 minutes.
The communications between the landlord and driver were by phone
and the landlord is no longer contactable.
An appeal was submitted to the original NtK as follows:
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
PoFA paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) has not been complied with. The NtK
did not specifically invite the Keeper to pay the charge.
In big bold writing on the front of the NtK it says that payment
is to be made within 28 days of issue. Section 8.1.2(e) of the
PPSCoP says that the recipient of a notice has 28 days from the
date of receipt, not date of issue.
The ECP sign in the car park mentioned is bit PoFA compliant
with paragraph 2(2) or 2(3) as they do not adequately bring the
charge to the attention of the driver (Ref Beavis case).
I have asked ECP to provide proof that they have a valid
contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to issue
PCNs at the location. They have failed to do so.
I understand having read other threads that I now need to raise
my defence via the money claim website. I've found a step by
step guide in another thread which I'll use. Following that I'll
probably receive an N180 DQ which I'll ignore and then fill out
my own N180 DQ and email it to them. Is that correct?
I can't tell you how much all the support and advice on here is
appreciated. I started to panic last night but having read the
advice I'm staying calm and staying the course. Eff these guys.
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
DIR By: StfuECP
Date: May 5, 2026, 2:36 am
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Good morning, bumping this in the hope someone can have a look
over my defence before I submit it online. Thanks.
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
DIR By: jfollows
Date: May 5, 2026, 2:49 am
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You have “bit PoFA compliant”, do you mean “not PoFA compliant”?
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