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LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: schmuel
Date: April 15, 2025, 1:37 pm
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Hello
I received the following in the post this afternoon:
HTML https://jmp.sh/cJ9WtFXW
Quick summary of the story from my side - car was parked
directly outside my house in a resident's bay. One morning, I
noticed a warden in the process of issuing a ticket - initially
thought perhaps our resident's permit had expired but no, the 3
bays outside our house had been suspended. Hadn't noticed the
sign before the incident, no idea how long it had been there.
The suspension kicked in at 8.30 that morning, warden was
issuing tickets around 8.40 (time on the PCN is 8.42). I
immediately jumped in the car and parked on the other side of
the road where the bays were not suspended, and before the
warden had printed the ticket.
Received the PCN linked above just over a week later.
Here is a link to the street view:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tMSLNncfRWAjaWyM8
The whole thing just feels a little... unfair, somehow! But
maybe that's just me.
Any advice gratefully received.
Thanks!
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 15, 2025, 2:31 pm
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Please post the PCN and do not redact PCN Number and car reg. We
can use them to look at any photos taken by the CEO.
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: schmuel
Date: April 15, 2025, 2:45 pm
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Hi, thanks for the reply -
PCN is in pdf format and hosted here:
HTML https://jmp.sh/cJ9WtFXW
Let me know if you have any trouble viewing it.
Thanks!
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 15, 2025, 4:42 pm
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You've had a lucky escape here I think and I think I know why it
happened.
Assuming there is no disputing the contravention - you were in
the suspended spaces and stopped the CEO serving the windscreen
PCN - they've sent you a PCN for £80 when it should be £160.
Online it's £160 (£80 at discount), so they are asking you to
pay more than the penalty asked on the PCN.
On 7 April, the date of the PCN, London penalties for this
contravention in band A areas went up to £160 from £130, and it
looks like their system has a glitch (not a first for Hackney).
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/fMY4k5A.png
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: schmuel
Date: April 15, 2025, 5:22 pm
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Hi Stamfordman - this is happy news! :)
Could you advise what the best way to appeal is? Looking through
the list of "statutory grounds for making representations" on
the back of the form, would the best option be to go with "Any
other compelling reason", explain that the Hackney payment
webiste is asking for more than the amount specified on the PCN,
and provide the screenshots you've helpfully pasted below?
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 15, 2025, 5:35 pm
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There is an appeal ground:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/KjQ3HXPy/Screenshot-2025-04-15-at-23-32-15.png
but not sure how this works with a PCN vs website issue. What I
do know is that what's on the PCN is what counts.
Wait for others to comment - there is no rush. I wonder if they
can say we'll accept £40 discount (but that will have saved you
£40 anyway).
Another thing - you say you parked across the road - was the CEO
still around?
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: April 16, 2025, 1:53 am
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How many days had the car not been moved for?
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: schmuel
Date: April 16, 2025, 4:21 am
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Thanks all, I will wait for others to comment.
In answer to previous questions - yes Stamfordman, I parked
directly opposite and the CEO was still there. He didn't say
anything but moved on to another car parked in the suspended
section, presumably to issue a ticket.
And re how long the car had been parked - it was definitely used
the previous day at some point (the Sunday). I guess we just
didn't notice the suspended bay sign.
Thanks all
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 16, 2025, 5:14 am
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I'm not sure what the rules are - I assume the CEO couldn't
serve the PCN on the car if it was reparked but maybe could have
given it to you.
Anyway, you are deprived of the opportunity to pay the £40
discounted penalty as on the PCN as attempting to pay gives only
the option of paying £80. This is a procedural impropriety.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/NX8zZPo.png
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Re: LB Hackney PCN, code 21 suspended bay, Horton Road E8
DIR By: schmuel
Date: April 17, 2025, 8:25 am
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Thanks all for the helpful advice.
I am planning to submit an appeal to Hackney as follows -
Grounds:
There has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the
enforcement authority
Explanation:
"This PCN was received in the post as the vehicle was moved out
of the suspended bays before the CEO had time to issue a ticket.
The PCN states that 'The full amount of the penalty charge is
£80.00'. It goes on to state that 'the Penalty Charge is reduced
by 50% to £40 if paid no later than the last day of the period
of 14 days beginning with the date on which this Penalty Charge
Notice was served'. However, the LB Hackney PCN website states
that the full charge is £160 (NOT £80) and is currently offering
the opportunity to pay the charge at a reduced rate of £80. I
have therefore been denied the opportunity to pay the reduced
charge of £40 as stated on the PCN. This is a procedural
impropriety on behalf of the issuer.
I look forward to receiving confirmation that this penalty
charge has been withdrawn."
Does this adequately cover things? Would it be worthwhile to
include screenshots/scans of the PCN and payment page? Grateful
for any suggestions.
Thanks all
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