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#Post#: 67126--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:39 pm
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I've only now finally understood what you mean by a flipped sign
on a hinge. I didn't know such a thing existed.
The sign hasn't changed at all then.
I suppose what happened with me was:
1) I looked at GSV before I left home, thinking I can park there
safely after 6:30pm
2) I looked at the sign once I parked, but "confirmation bias"
kicked in making me misread 8:30 for 6:30
I guess I'll just have to be contrite and see how it goes?
#Post#: 67127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:41 pm
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--- Quote from: elucidate link ---
>
> I guess I'll just have to be contrite and see how it goes?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, stamfordman has indicated the signs can be checked on
Saturday so let's wait and see what the signs show on an event
day.
#Post#: 67128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:55 pm
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In some ways this is a better way of handling event days as it
doesn't rely on zone entry signs with event days, parking signs
with separate event days times (and best practice, also small
plates with an event day phone hotline).
In others it's worse as a diligent motorist planning ahead can
fall into a false sense of security and the sign can be more
complicated.
#Post#: 67130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 14, 2025, 6:07 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> [quote author=elucidate link=topic=5948.msg67126#msg67126
date=1744670374]
> I guess I'll just have to be contrite and see how it goes?
>
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No, stamfordman has indicated the signs can be checked on
Saturday so let's wait and see what the signs show on an event
day.
[/quote]
On the event day in question, the headline time at the top
definitely did say restrictions apply till 8:30pm.
I have appealed citing the fact that I checked the sign both
before and after arriving at the location and, from both those
readings, I understood that I can park after 6:30pm, and I can't
see anything on the sign to show that I have breached any rule.
#Post#: 67162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 15, 2025, 5:04 am
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--- Quote from: elucidate link ---
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> I have appealed citing the fact that I checked the sign both
before and after arriving at the location and, from both those
readings, I understood that I can park after 6:30pm, and I can't
see anything on the sign to show that I have breached any rule.
>
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No, you've made an informal representation, you're a long way
from making any appeal.
#Post#: 67205--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 15, 2025, 7:29 am
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OP, I think confirmation bias is kicking-in again!
Can we agree what the sign actually says and how it's formatted
first pl.
It comprises 3 panels.
Top panel
'P' 'Match and event days'.
Middle panel
'Mon-Sat 8.30am-8.30pm'
Resident permit holders FFC
or
10am - ?pm
Pay at machine
Display ticket
or
Pay by phone
Max stay 2 hours
No return within 2 hours
Bottom panel
Sundays and public holidays
Noon-4.30pm
Resident permit holders only FFC
Is this correct?
#Post#: 67408--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 16, 2025, 11:51 am
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Good evening,
The rejection letter has come in:
HTML https://1drv.ms/b/c/f11da62e0ed95d12/EZy--ppPRkZEoU69i-9UMOQBmxUc5-Dp_-neSq9Y81FbYg?e=hE824h
That's the direct link. Again, please use Incognito to avoid the
need to sign-in.
Also added to the folder.
#Post#: 67411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 16, 2025, 11:53 am
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..and the sign says verbatim?
It's important, so it's worth spending time(3 minutes?).
#Post#: 67450--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 16, 2025, 3:20 pm
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It's hard to make out but it does say till 8:30 pm:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/lMmIQWd.png
Might be one for the strategy of last resort
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-cumberland-road-w7-code-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehic/msg56444/#msg56444.
#Post#: 67460--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 16, 2025, 4:04 pm
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I'm loath to act before the OP has bothered to answer.
But if pushed...
When are 'Match and Event days'?
A parking sign is formatted as follows:
Top, upper or only panel: The restriction(in this case parking,
but it could be loading or similar) and its scope, in this case
the 'permitted parking expression' of 'Match and Event days'.
But they're not defined. Not every Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri,
Sat or Sun is a 'match or event day'.
So, WTF does the top panel mean in isolation?
IMO, nothing.
The sign is meaningless as it stands.
When are the 'Match and event days'?
Or is a motorist supposed to guess that as the top panel is
exposed then it's a 'Match or event day'?
Good luck to the council succeeding on this at adjudication.
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