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#Post#: 67107--------------------------------------------------
Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 14, 2025, 2:49 pm
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I had planned to take my family out (on Tuesday 01/04/2025) to
Nando's in Finsbury Park, and we thought it would be nice to
take our little one to the park itself before going to the
restaurant.
Before setting off, I searched on GSV for where I should park
the car. I chose not to park on Oxford Road where my chosen
entrance to the park is, because, at the time in question,
parking is strictly for residents' permit holders only on that
road. So I decided to park on Upper Tollington Park which is
partway between the park's entrance at the end of Oxford Road,
and carried my little one from there to the park, and from the
park to the restaurant, and back to the car again.
The reason for choosing Upper Tollington Park was that the bay I
parked in allows for non-residents to park if they have a pay &
display ticket. As I got out of the car, I checked the sign and
I misread the sign as only being required to pay if parking
between 8:30am and 6:30pm. In actual fact it said between 8:30am
and 8:30pm. I also noticed that the restrictions only applies on
match and event days, but I thought that was irrelevant to me
because it was already past 6:30pm.
After visiting the park we walked past the car at 7:30pm and
there was no PCN. As we continued walking towards the restaurant
we saw a CEO issuing a PCN to another car further southwest on
the same street, about 30 metres away from my car, on the same
side of the road. I wondered if I was wrong to park too, but
noticed that this particular car was in a separate bay which is
strictly for business permit holders till 8:30pm. So I thought
to myself I don't need to worry, because this driver was in the
wrong and I was in the right. Little did I know that that same
CEO was about to head to my car and give me the same treatment.
It was only when I got back to the car at 8:30pm that I saw the
PCN and I checked the restrictions sign, and I realised it said
8:30am-8:30pm, not 8:30am-6:30pm.
In the PCN evidence I notice that the CEO's image of the
restrictions is very low resolution. I don't suppose this would
be of any help to me in my case?
Please note that the sign shown on GSV is outdated. This is a
link
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5694612,-0.109509,3a,60y,159.03h,60.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQ3amTKG-ar_Iej5xqHEd3Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D29.13549222170372%26panoid%3DQ3amTKG-ar_Iej5xqHEd3Q%26yaw%3D159.03381006208656!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDQwOS4wIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D<br
/>to the exact location I was parked.
Today is the last day to post a challenge without losing the
discounted rate, so any response I could get asap from anyone
would be greatly appreciated. I realise I should have come here
sooner but I just could not find the time.
Link to PCN and CEO evidence
HTML https://1drv.ms/f/c/f11da62e0ed95d12/EtB36qZeZQVGierd11aRagEBGf2EVPXdMX5tXLTNkC5Yow?e=m4g9T2<br
/>- use Incognito to avoid needing to sign in to view.
[member=1]cp8759[/member]
#Post#: 67111--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: April 14, 2025, 3:32 pm
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And this is in the criminal section because…?
#Post#: 67114--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 14, 2025, 4:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
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> And this is in the criminal section because…?
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I apologise.
#Post#: 67115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 14, 2025, 4:21 pm
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[member=1498]elucidate[/member] this sign
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/SzbCiTDLT4znNFkF9
looks like it says
it's a permit holders' bay from 5 pm to 6:30 pm, are you saying
the sign has now changed? The photos on the council website are
too blurred to make out the times.
This sign for the same bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/td9wzMuSrAhL23xk8
is very clear.
It looks to me like either the restrictions have changed very
recently, or the CEO just made a mistake.
#Post#: 67117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 14, 2025, 4:49 pm
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I think Haringey flips the signs on match days - you can see the
hinge. On 1 April Arsenal were playing at home.
The blurred pic won't impress an adjudicator. It would be useful
to see what it says as I wonder if the P&D times do not coincide
with permit parking.
#Post#: 67121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: elucidate
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:18 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] [member=2249]stamfordman[/member]
You will need to disregard any sign you see on GSV because it is
now completely different. Unfortunately I did not take my own
picture, but I do recognise the CEO sign as the correct sign.
Having another look at it, from what I can see non-residents can
P&D from 10am till 5pm. Whereas resident permit holders can park
from 8:30am till (what I thought said 6:30pm but later I
realised was) 8:30pm.
So I definitely could not have done a valid P&D at the time. I
suppose I was so hung up on being certain about 6:30pm being the
end of the restricted time, I didn't properly acknowledge
anything else.
#Post#: 67122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:19 pm
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Can you get us a photo of the new sign?
#Post#: 67123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:22 pm
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The sign is indeed flippable, here it is 'unflipped' : -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QZCdQwjwruN25Ndf8
However, I think the OP has misread the sign more than he
thinks. The event days, ('flipped') sign, albeit blurred, shows
that public pay-by-phone parking is only permitted 10am to 5pm
(I think, it may be 6 pm). But I suspect the time period for
payment parking is the same as on other, non-event days. It's
certainly not a sign to be read when one is in a hurry !
#Post#: 67124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:34 pm
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The next match at the Emirates is this Saturday - women's
champions league game. That is the earliest we can check the
sign.
#Post#: 67125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 12(r) Parked in a shared use place without
P&D ticket, Upper Tollington Park
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 14, 2025, 5:36 pm
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The obvious question is, if the only contemporaneous image is
blurred, how can the council prove what sign was on display at
the material time? I somehow doubt they take a photo of each and
every sign ahead of each event day.
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