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       #Post#: 66754--------------------------------------------------
       UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: dfwtolhr
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:06 am
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       Hi all - received a PCN from UKPS for parking in an area that is
       for commercial vehicles only. I did this in haste as all the
       normal customer spots were occupied and I was only there for
       literally 2 minutes. Wing Yip are not interested in cancelling
       the ticket. If I ignore is it likely SEAT financial services -
       who my car is leased from, will come after me? The car is due to
       go back in a month. Any help or advice appreciated. Have
       attached the relevant paperwork
       #Post#: 66755--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: dfwtolhr
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:07 am
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       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: dfwtolhr
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:08 am
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       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: dfwtolhr
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:09 am
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       #Post#: 66759--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:12 am
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       Wait for the Notice to Hirer from UKPS addressed to you
       directly.
       Come back here and tell us what other documents accompany it.
       It will probably fail the requirements of PoFA 2012 to hold you
       as hirer liable.
       If so, we can advise on what to say in response.
       They will probably reject your appeal anyway, but won’t be able
       to win in court.
       #Post#: 66760--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:14 am
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       They will tell you to appeal to the IPC when they reject, but
       some of us here won’t entertain that, it’s a sham, so prepare
       for all sorts of threatening letters from debt collectors and
       the like. With our advice you won’t lose.
       #Post#: 66765--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 9:33 am
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       See
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/paragraph/13
       --- Quote ---
       >
       >
       > 13(1)This paragraph applies in the case of parking charges
       incurred in respect of the parking of a vehicle on relevant land
       if—
       >
       > (a)the vehicle was at the time of parking hired to any person
       under a hire agreement with a vehicle-hire firm; and
       >
       > (b)the keeper has been given a notice to keeper within the
       relevant period for the purposes of paragraph 8(4) or 9(4) (as
       the case may be).
       >
       > (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4
       to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified
       in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days
       beginning with the day after that on which that notice was
       given, the creditor is given—
       >
       > (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm
       to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to
       a named person under a hire agreement;
       >
       > (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and
       >
       > (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer
       under that hire agreement.
       --- End Quote ---
       …
       --- Quote ---
       > (5)The notice to hirer must—
       >
       > (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any
       unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the
       notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer;
       >
       > (b)refer the hirer to the information contained in the notice
       to keeper;
       >
       > (c)warn the hirer that if, after the period of 21 days
       beginning with the day after that on which the notice to hirer
       is given, the amount of unpaid parking charges referred to in
       the notice to keeper under paragraph 8(2)(f) or 9(2)(f) (as the
       case may be) has not been paid in full, the creditor will (if
       any applicable requirements are met) have the right to recover
       from the hirer so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
       >
       > (d)inform the hirer of any discount offered for prompt payment
       and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or
       complaints that are available;
       >
       > (e)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment
       may be made; and
       >
       > (f)specify the date on which the notice is sent (if it is sent
       by post) or given (in any other case).
       >
       > (6)The documents mentioned in sub-paragraph (2)(a) must be
       given by—
       >
       > (a)handing them to the hirer;
       >
       > (b)leaving them at an address which is either—
       >
       > (i)an address specified in the statement of liability
       mentioned in paragraph 13(2)(c) as an address at which documents
       may be given to the hirer; or
       >
       > (ii)an address at which documents relating to civil
       proceedings could properly be served on the hirer under Civil
       Procedure Rules; or
       >
       > (c)sending them by post to such an address so that they are
       delivered to that address within the relevant period for the
       purposes of sub-paragraph (2)(a).
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 66860--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: dfwtolhr
       Date: April 13, 2025, 6:02 am
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       Thank you
       In the letter from SEAT it refers to the PoFA 2012 stating that
       SEAT as the register keeper can be held liable for the charges
       if no action is taken by me and that if they receuve a second
       notification from UKPS for the same offence then they will pay
       the outstanding amount and recharge this to me.
       I'm assuming this won't happen since SEAT have now passed on my
       information to UKPS? Or will UKPS send a second notification to
       SEAT if i do nothing?
       #Post#: 66878--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 13, 2025, 10:01 am
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       As long as SEAT properly discharged their liability under PoFA
       2012 they can no longer be chased for payment.
       --- Quote ---
       > 13(1)This paragraph applies in the case of parking charges
       incurred in respect of the parking of a vehicle on relevant land
       if—
       >
       > (a)the vehicle was at the time of parking hired to any person
       under a hire agreement with a vehicle-hire firm; and
       >
       > (b)the keeper has been given a notice to keeper within the
       relevant period for the purposes of paragraph 8(4) or 9(4) (as
       the case may be).
       >
       > (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4
       to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified
       in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days
       beginning with the day after that on which that notice was
       given, the creditor is given—
       >
       > (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm
       to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to
       a named person under a hire agreement;
       >
       > (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and
       >
       > (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer
       under that hire agreement.
       --- End Quote ---
       However, if all that SEAT did was to forward the notice to you
       along with a “letter of authority”, then they have failed to
       comply with the requirements of PoFA 2012.
       #Post#: 66896--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: April 13, 2025, 11:47 am
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       Write back to SEAT, thank them for their letter dated *** and
       that you will, as instructed, wait to be 'advised directly by
       the authority'.
       Keep them in the loop IMO.
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