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       #Post#: 66706--------------------------------------------------
       Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had updated
       address and driver has new licence - can it be ignored?
   DIR By: Ahead4life
       Date: April 12, 2025, 4:01 am
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       My family moved house in February and all drivers in the
       household have updated the DVLA with the new address and
       received up to date driving licences, all within a month of
       moving.
       There has been an arrangement with the new owner of our previous
       house that any post still received would be passed over to our
       old neighbour.
       I went to visit the neighbour yesterday as they have had an
       unexpected short stay in hospital, and was passed the post that
       had been accumulated over the last 2 weeks since seeing them,
       none of which should be important as all necessary bodies have
       been notified of the new address.
       There was a PCN from Parking Eye, issue date of 4th April for an
       event on 1st April which had been sent to the old address.
       The PCN is for an overstay of 19 minutes in a local MacDonalds
       car park which states at the entrance a maximum stay of 1.5
       hours. However, it is not immediately clear on the signage at
       the entrance what happens if you stay over 1.5 hrs and where and
       how you can pay for any additional stay. A photo of the VCN
       shows it arriving at 22:40 and leaving at 00:29. I have attached
       a photo of the back of the PCN for reference.
       The driver, who has neurodivergency and mental health issues, is
       unable to deal with this themselves so it falls upon me. They
       would prefer to ignore the notice, especially as it can easily
       be claimed it was never received as there is no official
       arrangement with the post office to forward any post and if
       there had been it would only have been for a month and that
       would have passed by now anyway. I have to be honest, I am
       feeling that way too.
       If no acknowledgement of the PCN is made, and no admission that
       it was the owner of the vehicle driving at the time, can Parking
       Eye get anywhere with pursuing this?
       I have only just managed to resolve another case on behalf of
       the driver with Britannia Parking and had only found this
       site/forum after engaging with Britannia Parking and appealing
       the fines.
       Is it possible to ignore this one as we can easily claim it was
       never received? How far does Parking Eye go? If there is no
       obvious way to pay for additional parking over the 1.5 hrs, what
       happens? To demand £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days) for an
       overstay is ridiculous.
       What if the driver had overstayed due to illness or issues with
       the car (both possible and has happened), if Parking Eye were to
       pursue and actually write to the driver at the updated address,
       what would be the best response?
       The help I received with the Britannia Parking fines was
       invaluable. For this one, I am loathe to pay anything to this
       Parking Eye, (especially as the driver is already paying a
       monthly plan to Britannia Parking of £20 per month!) and want to
       get the approach right from the outset.
       Thoughts and advice would be gratefully received.
       #Post#: 66708--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 4:19 am
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       Think about it.
       A driving license has nothing to do with a car, it’s for a
       person.
       A car has a V5C document with the registered keeper’s address,
       and if you don’t update this any queries about the car will be
       directed to the old address.
       For now, update the V5C because it’s theoretically a fine for
       not doing so, although it’s never enforced.
       #Post#: 66709--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: Dave65
       Date: April 12, 2025, 4:20 am
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       We`re the VR document address updated as well as driving
       licence?
       The £100 may seem ridiculous, but this is the usual thing.
       Do not ignore this issue.
       Post a copy of the PPN with personal details redacted, but leave
       dates.
       #Post#: 66711--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 4:32 am
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       The sign will likely say that the driver agrees to pay £100 if
       the driver overstays, there is no other way of paying for
       additional time, it is a contract that the driver enters into by
       reading the signs and by parking, and the registered keeper has
       now been invoiced for payment under the contract entered into.
       If the signs are not clear, an argument can be made that the
       contract can’t be enforced, for example.
       The principle of invoicing for payment for an overstay has been
       tested and found to be legal, but if you can provide more
       details then there may be things which mean you don’t have to
       pay. But moaning that it’s unfair won’t be one of them!
       #Post#: 66718--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 12, 2025, 5:17 am
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       If ignored, Parking Eye may initiate proceedings against the
       registered keeper, using the old address, which may result in a
       default judgement in their favour, after which an effort will be
       made to trace the keeper at the new address.
       I’m not saying you should pay, because so far you’ve not given
       us anything to go on, but ignoring could end up costing >>£60.
       #Post#: 66748--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: b789
       Date: April 12, 2025, 8:41 am
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       AS already stated above, updating your drivers licence has
       nothing whatsoever to do with the V5C registration document.
       Yes, you must update that too and can easily be done online in a
       matter of minutes. However, that will not help your current
       situation as the parking operator can only make a single DVLA
       request for data and the have used that up.
       You waffle on about the "owner". That is a totally irrelevant
       term and as an entity, has no legal meaning in the context of a
       contractual dispute. The only entities that matter are the
       Keeper and the Driver.
       The Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is not a "fine" and referring to
       it as such, especially of you use that term in any
       correspondence highlights you as a "mug" ripe for the picking. A
       PCN is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of
       contract by the driver.
       The operator has no idea of the identity of the driver unless
       the Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise. Whilst
       ParkingEye claim to rely on PoFA 2012 to be able to hold the
       Keeper liable if the drivers identity is not revealed, their
       postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with all
       the requirements of the Act and you are advised that the Keeper
       should not identify the driver.
       Any comms about this should only be from the Keeper. They should
       only refer to the driver in the third party. No "I did this or
       that. Only "the driver did this or that".
       Imagining that this can simply be ignored is wrong. Mentioning
       that "the owner" was not driving at the time is just another
       marker that you are not fully au fait with how to refer to
       anything. As already mentioned, "owner" is irrelevant. There is
       no official register of "owners". If you're referring to the
       registered keeper, then look very carefully as the front of the
       V5C and read what is stated very clearly in bold capital
       lettering on the front about "ownership".
       So, the Keeper has received a postal NtK for a 19 minute
       overstay at a McDonald's. They are obliged to allow a 10 minute
       grace period at the end of any contractual parking period,
       which, even if fully used, leaves the driver having overstayed
       by at least 9 minutes. Whilst you may think this is de minimis,
       should it ever go all the way to court, a judge will only
       consider the facts. The fact is that the driver overstayed and
       therefore breached the contract.
       I did mention that the NtK was not fully compliant with all the
       requirements of PoFA. This is an arguable defence point should
       it ever get as far as a hearing in court (unlikely but remotely
       possible). If it can be proved that their NtK is not fully
       compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, then they cannot
       hold the Keeper liable.
       As the Keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the
       driver to an unregulated private parking company, they would
       have nowhere else to go with this as they are not allowed to
       infer or presume that the Keeper must also be the driver, even
       on the balance of probability.
       So, armed with the above knowledge, do you intend to fight this
       all the way, as is the most likely outcome?
       #Post#: 66832--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: Ahead4life
       Date: April 13, 2025, 3:07 am
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       Thank you for the advice and for the reminder about the V5
       address change.
       In the the process of updating all necessary parties of the new
       address, not one of the 4 drivers in the house had even thought
       about the V5 documents for their vehicles! As you all say, it is
       very easy to change online and all of the 4 vehicle V5's have
       now had the address updated, thank you all for this advice as it
       was a complete oversight.
       Regarding the PCN from Parking Eye, I understand that saying
       'owner' is irrelevant and the vehicle keeper is the only one who
       should respond to the PCN (which sadly falls to me doing this
       for them).
       I know the keeper (and driver) simply does not have £60 which I
       appreciate is also irrelevant but means their view is to 'fight
       this all the way' but from your combined experiences, what does
       that look like when the driver did overstay by 19 minutes and
       there are apparently signs in the car park about the 1.5 hrs?
       How likely is it that this gets dismissed in your combined
       experiences with Parking Eye?
       I assume the next steps we would need to take is to go online
       and register an appeal but how would we need to word the appeal
       when it is clear the vehicle overstayed by 19 minutes due to the
       photos of it arriving and then leaving?
       These parking companies are parasites and I really don't want
       another one to get the better of me but would appreciate some
       guidance on this asap as the 14 day period of paying the
       'discounted' £60 comes to an end on 14th April!
       What would be the recommended response to Parking Eye Appeals
       Department in this instance? I do not want to get any wording
       incorrect and leave the driver vulnerable. I would have to
       (help) fill out the appeal for the Keeper/Driver and make it
       clear in there that they are unable to manage dealing with any
       responses themselves and would need any further correspondence
       to be dealt with by me, which would require a Letter of Consent
       being arranged by ParkingEye, signed by the Keeper and then I
       can act on their behalf. This is where I start losing the will
       to live a bit. Yet more time spent dealing with these parasitic
       organisations.
       If we fight it, is there a chance it is dropped or is it simply
       a delaying tactic for a PCN that can be pushed through, end up
       in court, and still have to be paid?
       #Post#: 66833--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: April 13, 2025, 3:28 am
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       Show us the documents you are talking about, as requested, see
       also
  HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/<br
       />so that we have something to work with. Both sides, and don’t
       obscure dates.
       You also should provide pictures of the signs if you’re saying
       that they’re unclear. On the other hand, if the driver couldn’t
       be bothered to read them properly, it’s less easy to contest
       here.
       #Post#: 66872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: b789
       Date: April 13, 2025, 8:03 am
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       So, to summarise... The Keeper has received a Parking Charge
       Notice (PCN) from ParkingEye for an alleged overstay of 19
       minutes in a McDonald’s car park. The PCN was initially sent to
       the Keeper’s old address because the V5C had not been updated
       with the new address at the time ParkingEye requested the data
       from the DVLA. The notice has only recently come to light after
       being passed on. You are assisting the Keeper in dealing with
       this matter, as they are unable to handle it themselves due to
       disability, including neurodivergent and mental health-related
       issues.
       This is not a fine. It is a private invoice alleging a
       contractual breach. ParkingEye is seeking to hold the Keeper
       liable under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012
       (PoFA). However, their Notice to Keeper does not fully comply
       with PoFA. It fails to meet the requirement in paragraph
       9(2)(e)(i), which states that the notice must include a specific
       "invitation" to the Keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge if,
       after 28 days, the operator does not know the name and address
       of the driver. Because this required wording is missing, the
       notice is not PoFA-compliant. That means ParkingEye cannot
       transfer liability from the unknown driver to the Keeper.
       The Keeper must not identify the driver. The operator cannot
       legally assume that the Keeper and the driver are the same
       person, and there is no obligation to disclose the driver’s
       identity. All references to the driver must be made in the third
       person.
       The Keeper has 28 days from the date the notice was received to
       submit an appeal. This does not mean 28 days from the issue date
       printed on the notice. Paragraph 9(6) of the Protection of
       Freedoms Act 2012 states that a notice sent by post is presumed
       to have been “given” to the Keeper two working days after it is
       posted. However, this is a rebuttable presumption. It only
       applies unless the contrary is proved. In this case, the notice
       was sent to the Keeper’s old address and was only later passed
       on after a delay. That delay rebuts the statutory presumption of
       delivery. The notice cannot be considered “given” until the
       Keeper actually received it. The 28-day appeal window begins
       from that actual date of receipt. Although the operator acted
       lawfully by using the address held by the DVLA at the time, PoFA
       still requires that the notice be actually “given” to the Keeper
       within the prescribed period to create liability. If the notice
       was not received within that time, then the operator cannot rely
       on PoFA to hold the Keeper liable, even if the delivery failure
       resulted from the Keeper’s own delay in updating their DVLA
       record.
       The first step is for the Keeper to submit a Data Rectification
       Notice (DRN) under Article 16 of the UK GDPR. This notice
       instructs ParkingEye to rectify the Keeper’s personal data by
       updating the address on file. It must specify that the previous
       address is no longer valid for service and require confirmation
       that all future correspondence, including any legal proceedings,
       will be sent to the new correct address. This protects the
       Keeper from any claim being sent to the wrong address and
       potentially resulting in a default County Court Judgment (CCJ).
       The Keeper should also submit an appeal, stating that the Notice
       to Keeper is not PoFA-compliant on two grounds. First, it was
       not “given” to the Keeper within the time required by paragraph
       9(4), because it was sent to an old address and only received
       much later after being passed on. Although the operator used the
       address held by the DVLA at the time, the Keeper had only
       updated their driving licence and was unaware that the vehicle
       logbook (V5C) required a separate update. This is a common
       mistake and was corrected as soon as it was discovered. Second,
       the notice fails to include the statutory invitation required
       under paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), which means the operator cannot rely
       on PoFA to transfer liability to the Keeper. Because PoFA has
       not been complied with, the Keeper cannot be held liable. The
       appeal may also raise further arguments, including that the
       signage was unclear, particularly late at night, and that there
       was no visible or accessible way to pay for extending the stay.
       The driver, who remains unnamed, has a disability and would be
       considered a protected person under the Equality Act 2010. As
       such, the operator has a duty to make reasonable adjustments.
       These issues should be considered in any fair and lawful
       enforcement process.
       If ParkingEye rejects the appeal, the next step is to submit an
       appeal to POPLA, the independent adjudication service. As long
       as the appeal is submitted by the Keeper without revealing the
       identity of the driver, and the PoFA non-compliance is clearly
       raised, there is a strong chance the POPLA appeal will be
       upheld.
       If POPLA does not allow the appeal, the case may still not be
       over. ParkingEye would then typically pass the matter to debt
       recovery firms, who will send a stream of threatening letters.
       These letters can safely be ignored. Debt collectors have no
       enforcement powers and cannot take legal action. If the matter
       is not resolved at that stage, it may eventually be escalated to
       a county court claim. This is not something to be feared.
       The county court is simply the final stage in the dispute
       resolution process. In most cases, claims are either struck out
       or discontinued before a hearing ever takes place. ParkingEye
       and its legal agents often fail to follow up or proceed
       properly, especially when a robust defence has been filed. Even
       in the rare case that the matter proceeds all the way to a
       hearing, there is still a realistic chance of success for the
       Keeper, particularly if the PoFA issue is properly raised and
       the driver has not been identified. The judge will assess the
       facts and legal compliance of the Notice to Keeper and the
       signage.
       In summary, the Keeper should first issue a Data Rectification
       Notice to ensure all correspondence goes to the correct address.
       They should then appeal within 28 days of receiving the notice,
       arguing that the NtK is not PoFA-compliant and that no Keeper
       liability can arise. The Keeper should decline name the driver.
       If the appeal is rejected, escalate to POPLA. If POPLA also
       rejects the appeal, the Keeper can choose to defend a county
       court claim if it arises. The process should be managed calmly
       and methodically. If you require assistance drafting the DRN or
       the appeal text, let us know.
       #Post#: 66966--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking Eye PCN sent to old address even though DVLA had
       updated address and driver has new licence - can it be igno
   DIR By: Ahead4life
       Date: April 14, 2025, 3:50 am
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       Thank you for laying this all out and explaining the process and
       yes please to your offer to draft the DRN or the appeal text. I
       do not want to misstep on any part of this and want to ensure we
       stick rigidly to your suggestions and instructions as you are
       clearly the expert and we are learning all the time here!
       Do you need photos of both sides of the PCN?
       I don't believe I have said the driver said the signs were
       unclear, just that it was not something that had even crossed
       their mind because they were the only one in the car park and it
       was the middle of the night! Not helpful, but that is the truth
       of it.
       Thank you again and I will look out for your response so I can
       hopefully get this DRN/appeal text off asap.
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