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#Post#: 66518--------------------------------------------------
Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: ugo
Date: April 10, 2025, 1:13 pm
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Hey all,
I got fined in Hackney for entering an LTN zone on Richmond Road
with my motorcycle. But here's the thing — my engine was off and
I was physically pushing the bike, not riding it.
I challenged it, but Hackney rejected my appeal saying:
“Propelling a vehicle, by any means (that includes pushing a
vehicle), would be seen as non-compliance. The vehicle was being
propelled at the time it was seen in contravention."
Has anyone else experienced this? I genuinely thought pushing it
would be fine, like walking a bike through. Worth appealing to
London Tribunals or am I wasting my time?
Cheers for any advice!
More details with their response below:
Thank you for writing to us.
We have carefully considered what you have stated but we have
decided not to cancel your Penalty Charge Notice.
We sent you a Penalty Charge Notice because our CCTV camera
evidence shows the vehicle going where motor
vehicles are not allowed. The sign is round, white and has a red
border. It pictures a motorcycle and a car in black.
Motor Vehicle Restriction Sign 619 - Conforming to TSRGD
schedule 3, part 2.
Circular road signs: Circular signs give orders - they must be
followed to stay within the law. Circles with a red border
tell you what you must not do (e.g. take a U-turn).
Richmond Road junction of Eleanor Road is currently closed to
through traffic as part of the Low Traffic Neighbourhood
Scheme. The scheme is designed to create cleaner and quieter
streets, support people to walk, shop and cycle to
rebuild a greener Hackney, as well as to improve road safety for
pedestrians, and cyclists and reduce rat running and
traffic congestion.
The signs when approaching the Motor Vehicle Restriction state
“No Motor Vehicles except local buses and permit
holders HAC01". When checking our records, the vehicle does not
hold a valid HAC01 permit, therefore, the vehicle is
not permitted to pass through the signed restriction.
It is unfortunate that you were unfamiliar with the rules that
were in force. However, it is still up to drivers to be aware of
10/04/2025 90D512
signs, road markings and obey them.
The Council is committed to making Hackney’s roads safer and
more accessible for everyone living, working and
visiting the Borough. Encouraging the use of more sustainable
modes of transport such as walking and cycling to school
is one of the Council’s key transport priorities.
Hackney has an extensive network of roadways and you would have
needed to find an alternative unrestricted route to
your destination. Please note that areas on either side of the
restriction are still accessible by vehicle. Vehicles are
simply not permitted to pass through the signed restriction.
We noted your comments in relation to the images and the CCTV
footage of the vehicle being pushed through the
restriction. However, propelling a vehicle, by any means (that
includes pushing a vehicle), would be seen as non-
compliance. The vehicle was being propelled at the time it was
seen in contravention.
Therefore, we are satisfied that the contravention had occurred
as it is the responsibility of the motorist to check the
sign(s) to ensure they comply with the restrictions in place.
The PCN remains enforced however, we have extended the discount
period for a further 14 days, giving you the
opportunity to pay the discounted amount, which will be accepted
as full and final payment for this PCN.
#Post#: 66521--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 10, 2025, 1:36 pm
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Unfortunately that is the case law. However , let's see the PCN
and VRM in case there are issues with those and their website.
Plus your reps. please, and the NOR.
#Post#: 66530--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: ugo
Date: April 10, 2025, 2:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Unfortunately that is the case law. However , let's see the
PCN and VRM in case there are issues with those and their
website. Plus your reps. please, and the NOR.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm new to this :) can you elaborate please? Do you want me to
share the PCN here? I don't understand what you mean by reps.
Thank you!
#Post#: 66531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: ugo
Date: April 10, 2025, 3:07 pm
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PS - unrelated. I signed the petition in your signature! Sadly
not many more signers yet
#Post#: 66532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 10, 2025, 3:10 pm
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Representations.
#Post#: 66535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: ugo
Date: April 10, 2025, 3:35 pm
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Ticket Reference QZ18620254
Your PCN is at discount stage. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberBV17YYE
ColourBLUE
MakePIAGGIO
Contravention52 - Failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle
LocationRichmond Road junction of Eleanor Road
First seen atMon, 17 Mar 2025 12:12
Issued atMon, 17 Mar 2025 12:12
Served byPost
The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase
to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has
an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This
offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we
replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations
twice
My representation
At the time I am supposed to have been in contravention, the
restriction did not apply
Further explanation :
If you look carefully at the imagery and video, I was not
driving the bike but pushing it with the engine off. I was not
driving but moving the bike through the gated area without the
engine being used.
Yours faithfully
#Post#: 66539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 10, 2025, 4:02 pm
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[member=5087]ugo[/member] Please show the PCN. It really is very
important to do so as we often find errors!
#Post#: 66543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 10, 2025, 4:16 pm
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The crux: you thought you were being deviously clever, but you
weren't.
So, you're on a loser with a defence against the contravention -
unless miraculously there's a flaw in their traffic order - so
give the forum what's been requested e.g. PCN, your
representations etc.
#Post#: 66551--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 10, 2025, 4:42 pm
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So why did you push the bike through the restriction. Apart from
to get to the other side.
#Post#: 66663--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle
restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
DIR By: ugo
Date: April 11, 2025, 11:52 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [member=5087]ugo[/member] Please show the PCN. It really is
very important to do so as we often find errors!
>
--- End Quote ---
I had to scan this as it's a letter - can you not see the PCN
with the data I showed you? It should be online at
HTML https://parkingdisputes.hackney.gov.uk/
In any case, attached are the scans! thanks
And their response to my challenge:
VEHICLE REGISTRATION: BV17YYE
LOCATION OF CONTRAVENTION: DATE OF CONTRAVENTION: TIME OF
CONTRAVENTION: 12:12
NATURE OF CONTRAVENTION: Richmond Road junction of Eleanor Road
17 March 2025
52 - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicle
Thank you for writing to us.
We have carefully considered what you have stated but we have
decided not to cancel your Penalty Charge Notice.
We sent you a Penalty Charge Notice because our CCTV camera
evidence shows the vehicle going where motor
vehicles are not allowed. The sign is round, white and has a red
border. It pictures a motorcycle and a car in black.
Motor Vehicle Restriction Sign 619 - Conforming to TSRGD
schedule 3, part 2.
Circular road signs: Circular signs give orders - they must be
followed to stay within the law. Circles with a red border
tell you what you must not do (e.g. take a U-turn).
Richmond Road junction of Eleanor Road is currently closed to
through traffic as part of the Low Traffic Neighbourhood
Scheme. The scheme is designed to create cleaner and quieter
streets, support people to walk, shop and cycle to
rebuild a greener Hackney, as well as to improve road safety for
pedestrians, and cyclists and reduce rat running and
traffic congestion.
The signs when approaching the Motor Vehicle Restriction state
“No Motor Vehicles except local buses and permit
holders HAC01"
. When checking our records, the vehicle does not hold a valid
HAC01 permit, therefore, the vehicle is
not permitted to pass through the signed restriction.
It is unfortunate that you were unfamiliar with the rules that
were in force. However, it is still up to drivers to be aware of
signs, road markings and obey them.
The Council is committed to making Hackney’s roads safer and
more accessible for everyone living, working and
visiting the Borough. Encouraging the use of more sustainable
modes of transport such as walking and cycling to school
is one of the Council’s key transport priorities.
Hackney has an extensive network of roadways and you would have
needed to find an alternative unrestricted route to
your destination. Please note that areas on either side of the
restriction are still accessible by vehicle. Vehicles are
simply not permitted to pass through the signed restriction.
We noted your comments in relation to the images and the CCTV
footage of the vehicle being pushed through the
restriction. However, propelling a vehicle, by any means (that
includes pushing a vehicle), would be seen as non-
compliance. The vehicle was being propelled at the time it was
seen in contravention.
Therefore, we are satisfied that the contravention had occurred
as it is the responsibility of the motorist to check the
sign(s) to ensure they comply with the restrictions in place.
The PCN remains enforced however, we have extended the discount
period for a further 14 days, giving you the
opportunity to pay the discounted amount, which will be accepted
as full and final payment for this PCN.
You have these choices:
You can pay the discount charge of £65.00. You have 14 days from
the date of this letter being served (delivered)
to do this.
You can pay £130.00 if you miss the discount period. You have 28
days from the date of this letter being served
(delivered) to do this.
If you wish to appeal, please read the guidance notes attached
to the appeal form enclosed with this letter. You
can make your appeal online at the following address
www.londontribunals.gov.uk. Please ensure that you quote
the unique appeal verification code stated on this Notice of
Rejection and follow the online instructions on how to
complete your appeal. Alternatively, you can complete the Appeal
Form enclosed with this letter (please read the
guidance notes before completing it) and send your appeal to the
Environment and Traffic Adjudicators (ETA) at
the address stated on the form. Please do not send the appeal
form to us. For any enquiries about your appeal,
please visit the London Tribunals website at
www.londontribunals.gov.uk. The adjudicator will consider your
appeal and make a final decision. Please note that an
adjudicator can not allow an appeal on the basis of
mitigating circumstances but may refer the case back to the
authority for further consideration. An adjudicator can
not normally award costs but may do so if he considers that
either party has acted frivolously, vexatiously or wholly
unreasonably. The directions of an Adjudicator must be complied
with forthwith.
If you do nothing
If, after 28 days, you have taken no action, we may send you a
Charge Certificate increasing the charge from £130.00 to
£195.00. You will then have 14 days to pay the increased charge.
If, after the 14 days, you have not paid the increased
charge, we may apply to the County Court to recover the money -
plus court costs - from you.
How to pay
Online (PCNs starting with QZ) go to
www.hackney.gov.uk/parking-fines by following the payment links.
By phone (PCNs starting with QZ) 020 8629 1232 (24 hours) using
a Visa, MasterCard, Maestro or Visa Electron
card.
By post Please make your cheque or postal order payable to
'London Borough of Hackney'
, write your PCN
number (see above) on the back, then send it to: Representations
and Appeals, PO box 76121, London, E5 5FG.
Please do not send cash through the post.
Yours sincerely
A Henry
Parking Services
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