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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 10, 2025, 8:47 am
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The marked suspension is equidistant between 197 and 199 it
seems.
The suspension sign with its wings stuffed into the hedge is
amusing.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 10, 2025, 10:35 am
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Thanks.
IMO,
The parking place is 2+ vehicles' long. Their plan splits this
into 2 parts with the suspended area being the first. This
starts o/s 197 and extends to 199. Your car straddles the limit
of the suspended area and IMO your car was within the suspended
area by more than a de minimis amount. And even if the narrative
number, 197, was taken literally to the exclusion of the plan
then your car was still within this area.
There is a single traffic sign and post within this 2+ cars'
length parking place which IMO couldn't be missed if the driver
had looked.
The 'EV' aspect of the contravention description is clearly
wrong and should be advanced, but I'm not certain that this
would be considered anything other that a slip by as
adjudicator.
#Post#: 66641--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 11, 2025, 9:26 am
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Thank you again.
I am reading HCA's reply and coming to the conclusion that I
have little chance to successfully appeal this PCN, it seems
that point 1 and 3 suggested by stamford are not applicable?
Interestingly, another driver was parked closer to the car at
the other end (blue Ford) and didn't get a PCN.
Perhaps I have to admit defeat with this one..😔
What is irritating is that there is still no work being carried
out anywhere near the suspension!
Thanks again for your input
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 11, 2025, 11:18 am
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I wouldn't give up at the first hurdle. Try this:
The contravention of 'Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay
or space- permit holder only electric vehicle charging bay'
alleged on the PCN did not occur for these reasons.
1. The permit bay is not an electric vehicle charging bay.
2. The contravention code is 21a - a is a suffix that means
temporary traffic order. I could not see any such order at the
location.
3. My car was outside no 199 and at most trivially adjacent to
no 197, which is the number specified on the suspension sign.
4. As a resident for x years I do keep a look out for suspension
signs but I missed this one probably because it is half-buried
in a hedge! I do feel you have a duty to keep parking signs free
from vegetation.
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation of
this PCN.
#Post#: 67651--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 18, 2025, 11:05 am
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Hello
Unfortunately the appeal was rejected, standard template. >:(
:'( See attached.
Interestingly the amount payable (discounted if paid within 14
days) when I searched for the PCN details online is £65 instead
of £80 (as stated on the response).
LBs and City have increased the charges by £30 on the 07/04
(date of my PCN), somehow now I am getting the old rate.
Small victory I guess.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 18, 2025, 3:05 pm
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It's a woeful rejection IMO and I'd go on with it. Did you send
all the points I made?
Councils are having glitches with the recent penalty increases
but as it seems you can pay less than the PCN I don't think this
is grounds alone for continuing.
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