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PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 8, 2025, 12:23 pm
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Hello
I received the following PCN from Camden Council:
PCN Details:
Date 07/04/2025 08:41
PCN Number CU70441xxx
Vehicle Registration: xxxxxx (Dark blue DS car)
Street Goldhurst Terrace
Contravention Type: permit holders only
Contravention Code 21a
Contravention: Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or
space- permit holder only electric vehicle charging bay.
Can the PCN be appealed? I do have a valid permit to park in the
zone. My argument is that there was unclear signage and the car
was parked outside 199 (well the majority).
Please see photos taken by the traffic warden and links
attached:
As seen from Google Map pic from the link in the attachment (197
Goldhurst Terrace - Google Maps) and notes, the parking bay
starts on the right of 197, near the end of the house and up to
199. There is a noticeable gap from the end of the bay to my
car.
Also the notice was placed where in fact the suspension was not
applicable (between 199-201).
Your advice on whether I should appeal and on what grounds would
be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!!
Bullit70
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 8, 2025, 1:37 pm
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Where is the PCN? Let's see it. What's this about an EV bay? The
suffix a in 21a is temporary traffic order and IMO is invalid
for a code 21.
No need to blank anything.
Good chance of being deemed not to be outside no 197 or
trivially.
While the suspension sign is in the right place on the parking
sign it needs to draw your attention.
But when did you park there.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 8, 2025, 2:53 pm
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Thanks Stamford!
See attached copy of the PCN left on the windscreen.
I parked the car the day before, Sunday morning 6/4/25. The
notices (few on this road) have been put up about 2 weeks ago.
No EV just road works which of course they have not started yet!
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 8, 2025, 5:09 pm
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The PCN is ridiculous. The contravention did not occur - it
isn't an EV bay and they can't qualify a bay suspension as a
temporary traffic order (those are usually used to to turn
bays/kerbsides etc into no waiting/loading restrictions).
By the way, Camden is one of only two councils (other is
Kens&Chelsea) I know that offers an email alert for bay
suspensions in a certain road - sign up here:
HTML https://accountforms.camden.gov.uk/parking-bay-suspensions-search-and-alerts/
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 9, 2025, 6:32 am
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Thanks for the update. With regards to me lodging an appeal,
what information/ circumstances/legislation, do I need to
include?
Kind Regards
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 9, 2025, 10:41 am
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It's an informal challenge so no need to go into a deep dive.
One other thing - did you miss seeing the sign when you parked?
I presume so and you can add that the sign wasn't seen when
parking as it was attached to a parking sign half buried in
vegetation. I would also include you are a resident and have a
parking permit.
I would say:
The contravention of 'Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay
or space- permit holder only electric vehicle charging bay'
alleged on the PCN did not occur for these reasons.
1. The permit bay is not an electric vehicle charging bay.
2. The contravention code is 21a - a is a suffix that means
temporary traffic order. I could not see any such order at the
location.
3. My car was outside no 199 and at most trivially adjacent to
no 197, which is the extent of the suspended part of the bay.
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation of
this PCN.
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I'm not sure what to say about point 2 - someone else may chip
but I think it's not a correct use of the regulations.
I also wondered if they are turning the bay into EV charging - I
can see reference to Goldhurst Terrace in this but not at this
location:
HTML https://www.camden.gov.uk/documents/d/guest/introduction-of-electric-vehicle-recharging-point-parking-places-proposals-dated-27-february-2025
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 10, 2025, 3:00 am
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Thanks again.
No definitely no EV, the suspensions (few on that road) are to
carry out works on the pavement, replacing slabs.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 10, 2025, 5:50 am
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Could you get a better photo of the plan on the sign, I can't
clearly see the extent of the suspended area and how this
relates to the description: outside 197.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 10, 2025, 6:06 am
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The OP has blanked his VRM when I asked not to so I can't get
the pics.
I would have thought the PCN falls on the contravention and
weird suffix though.
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Re: PCN - LB Camden Council - Partially suspended bay - Code 21a
DIR By: Bullit70
Date: April 10, 2025, 8:17 am
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I hope the link works, I ve uploaded the full PCN
Thank you both
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