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Airport
By: Redspark Date: April 5, 2025, 2:15 pm
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Hi
I went to pick my my wife up at Leeds Bradford airport. She said
use free parking. Wasn't too sure how to get there so put satnav
on. It told me to turn off the main rd into one of the many
airport turn offs, great. Then I was supposed to take a sharp
left into this rd but it was closed, under construction.
Suddenly I was clueless what to do as it was one way and there
were barriers into a differ6type of carpark ahead. I thought if
I go in in probably going to have to pay to get out. So I
stopped and tried to move over to left a bit to not obstruct
cars.Eventually I spoke to one of the workmen who gave me
directions. They were to go through carpark ahead. And yes I had
to call the man on way out to say I've driven straight through
the carpark. He begrudgingly let me out.
Then today I received this (attachment).
How shall I move forward with this ? Appeal ? Pay ?
Thanks
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Re: Airport
By: jfollows Date: April 5, 2025, 3:10 pm
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Put
VCS
into the search bar and read about how to handle these.
You won’t need to pay a penny but it will help you if you read
up on how VCS “manages” airport land usually covered by byelaws.
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Re: Airport
By: jfollows Date: April 5, 2025, 3:35 pm
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Also read and act on
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/<br
/>and in particular how not to identify the driver in your posts
.
We’d like to help you but you must help yourself first …..
#Post#: 65885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Airport
By: Redspark Date: April 6, 2025, 6:24 pm
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I've read up on VCS but can you help me understand how I'll pay
nothing ?
Any help much appreciated.
Dave
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Re: Airport
By: b789 Date: April 7, 2025, 1:05 pm
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This will be a protracted exercise but if you follow the advice
you will not be paying a penny to the scammers at VCS. Why?
Because what you have received is simply an invoice for an
alleged breach of contract by the driver.
What contract? Well, there wasn't one because if you look at the
signage at the airport, it is not contractual at all. I won't go
into depth here but you can do your own research on what three
elements are required to be able to form a contract that is
entered into by conduct. Suffice it to ay that a prohibitive
sign cannot form a contract because there is nothing on offer
for consideration.
So, first thing is that there was no contract. VCS are not an
authority that can issue fines or penalties. They are a
verminous firm of ex-clampers running an unregulated private
parking company and have zero authority.
Secondly, they can only hold the driver liable for any charge.
They have absolutely no idea who the driver is. They are not
allowed to assume or infer that the Keeper must be the driver,
even though they have already done so in the Notice to Keeper
(NtK). As the location is an airport, it is under statutory
control (Byelwas) and therefore is not relevant land for the
purposes of PoFA 2012.
They cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown
(to them) driver to you, the known Keeper. They will hug and
puff and say they can but they can't. If this were to ever go as
far as a claim in court (it won't), they would not have a leg to
stand on.
So, this is how it will go if you follow the advice... You make
an initial appeal to VCS which they will reject. You ignore the
secondary appeal process with the IAS which is a kangaroo court
and I refuse to waste any time and effort on appeals to a
corrupt and incestuous firm. You will then receive a load of
threatening debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore.
They can only try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the
gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.
Eventually, they will threaten a claim in the county court which
you will respond to and in due course the claim will either be
struck out or in the very unlikely event it were to ever go all
the way to a hearing, you win.
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
PoFA does not apply on non-relevant land, such as at an airport,
which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they
cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver
to the known keeper.
For now, you can simply appeal, only as the Keeper, to VCS with
the following:
[quote]I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will
be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because
Leeds/Brdford Airport (LBA) is not 'relevant land'.
If LBA wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport
Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another
matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is
also not legally possible because VCS is not the Airport owner
and your 'charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It
is created for VCS's own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty
that goes to the public purse) and VCS has relied on contract
law allegations of breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
VCS have no hope should you be so desperate as to initiate
litigation, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of
time and cancel the PCN.[/quote]
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Re: Airport
By: Redspark Date: April 8, 2025, 3:51 pm
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Thankyou so much.
D
#Post#: 78123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Airport
By: Redspark Date: June 25, 2025, 8:27 am
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Just received this after I sent your reply word for word.
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Re: Airport
By: b789 Date: June 25, 2025, 12:35 pm
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Did you not receive a response to your appeal?
You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. DCBL and all
debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and
persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up
out of ignorance and fear.
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Re: Airport
By: Redspark Date: July 4, 2025, 6:20 am
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No I sent what you wrote as an appeal then nothing for some time
then this.
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Re: Airport
By: b789 Date: July 4, 2025, 6:32 am
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Did you email the appeal or did you use some other way to submit
the appeal? Have you received a receipt acknowledging that your
appeal was received?
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