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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 28, 2023, 4:43 am
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What date did you email your SD to the TEC? And what time is the
TEC's acknowledgement receipt?
A missing revoking order from the TEC is not too surprising.
Since Covid struck they seem to suffer delays in getting letters
printed and into the post. Sometimes weeks rather than days.
Before Covid letters were usually posted 1-2 days after
printing. But it should eventually arrive.
The TEC will use whatever address you put on the PE3 declaration
form. They will have informed TFL of the SD and the address on
it, in theory electronically and on the same day if they
received your declaration before 4pm on a working day. TFL
would/should have updated the address if the one from the TEC is
different.
The TFL log says a PCN was "batched" on the 23rd Sep. So we can
expect that it was actually posted on the 25th Sep. I would
imagine that it should have arrived yesterday or today.
I suppose it's also possible that the TEC haven't actually
processed your SD and issued the revoking order as yet. TFL
might have jumped the gun and anticipated that the TEC will do
so and put the batched PCN into some sort of hold/pending queue.
But batched (a data processing term) in this case usually means
print PCN and post.
Is there anything unusual about your address? EG a sub-division
of a larger property like 123, 123A, 123B etc. Or maybe no
property number at all, just a name? Or two properties combined
into one? Anything at all?
#Post#: 6274--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 28, 2023, 5:59 am
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OK so update on PCN YJ58264268 I have just received a letter
from TFL confirming my TEC appeal and they have sent the PCN
that is dated 23 September. I went online and paid the original
amount of £90 so that one is done. Hopefully I have attached a
scan of the letters. Thanks for your help so far and now I have
to overcome the PCN GX06778756.
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 28, 2023, 9:25 am
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Further update this time on GX06778756.
I have just received this email from TEC.
Good afternoon,
Your Penalty Charge Number (PCN) is: GX06778756
We can’t process your form as they haven’t been completed
properly.
Why we couldn’t process your form:
● Your Statutory Declaration has been received outside the
timescale allowed. Please complete the enclosed PE2 Application
to file a Statutory Declaration ‘Out of Time’ form and return
both forms together - this form should not be used to give
reasons for contesting the original penalty charge.
Please read the guidance notes carefully, as your forms cannot
be accepted unless they are valid.
Please note that if you add any further information to your
form(s) after they have been returned to you, your form(s) must
be re-witnessed. This is to swear that the new information you
have written is true. Your form(s) will be returned to you if
this is not complied with.
We do not keep invalid applications. Please return all appeal
forms together, along with any supporting documents/evidence.
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 29, 2023, 5:08 am
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I now have 3 forms to take to the court for swearing an oath on.
There is a PE2 out of time, a TE7 and a TE9 and I have an
appointment at lunchtime today at the county court. This process
seems to just go on and on, are they hoping I will give up ?
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 29, 2023, 8:47 am
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Your TE7 & TE9 witness statement and OOT application don't need
to be witnessed? Just complete, sign & date and scan them to
PDF. Email the PDFs attached to an email to the TEC. The email
address is on the forms.
But why have you to submit a TE7 OOT & TE9 WS at all? I
understood that you have already submitted a TE9 in respect of
the parking contravention, the TEC revoked the OfR and ordered
the Charge Cert cancelled. TFL sent you a new PCN which you paid
at £90, ULEZ discount. So that PCN is closed. Or is there now a
third PCN?
Have still got the witnessed copy of the PE3 to go with the PE2
OOT?
If not complete a new copy of the PE3 form and get that
witnessed at the same time.
But what exactly have you put on the PE2 by way of explanation
as to why you are late with the PE3.
For the purposes of these forms you are the respondent and the
Council/TFL are the applicant.
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 29, 2023, 8:56 am
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Thank you Enceladus I have been back to the court again today
for the third time now and had form PE2 witnessed. The lady at
the court did explain as you said I do not need TE7 and TE9
witnessed, just signed by myself. I sent all these with the
original PE3 off to TEC. As I had some success with the first on
I am hopeful but not confident but I will continue the fight.
Once again tank you all for your contributions and I will keep
you updated.
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 29, 2023, 8:58 am
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Yes but what are the TE7 & TE9 forms for? Is there a third PCN?
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 29, 2023, 9:02 am
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No they were for the PCN GX06778756 as the email I got from TEC
had them attached to complete. I assumed this is to get the fees
back from the bailiff and or the court and TFL
#Post#: 6375--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 29, 2023, 12:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Yes but what are the TE7 & TE9 forms for? Is there a third
PCN?
>
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No, when you mentioned that one pcn was for zig zag stopping I
thought it was the one relevant to bailifs.
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Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 29, 2023, 12:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Victory23 link ---
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> Thank you Enceladus I have been back to the court again today
for the third time now and had form PE2 witnessed.
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But what on Earth have you written on it? It poses a particular
question which you've been unable to answer here.
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