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#Post#: 5924--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 24, 2023, 5:03 am
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I have limited time to help, so when we make a suggestion I mean
exactly what I say and there's a reason for it --- which we
don't often have time to explain.
--- Quote from: Paul@amv-uk.com link ---
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> I will email the TEC on Monday and ask what addresses they
hold relating to both the PCN's
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This is not what I suggested: You need to ask the question I
suggested which, if the advisor is helpful, will lead into any
further detail they have about possible changes to your address
that may have occurred along the way.
Why? Take a look at form PE2 and you will see that it poses a
specific question. You don't currently have an answer to that
question so any application will fail.
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On the matter of the recent PE3 I'm struggling to understand how
you're so laid back? We've already told you a response should
have been received well before now.
So, for the third time, [b]what e-mail address did you use and
did you receive an auto-acknowledgement?
For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the numbers
and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
#Post#: 5926--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: NightSoul
Date: September 24, 2023, 5:14 am
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
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> For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the
numbers and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
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Where?
#Post#: 5941--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 24, 2023, 6:54 am
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The first PCN is YJ58264268 VRM YK61OXN 25 May 2023 I dis nor
receive the original PCN's from TFL but did receive the order
for recovery which is when I sent the PE3.
The second PCN is GX06778756 VRM YK61OXN 18 April 2023 and I did
not receive anything ever.
#Post#: 5944--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 24, 2023, 8:21 am
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The recent one is showing £90 due so, although the history
doesn't show, appears to have been reset. It still leaves the
question of why you haven't received notification.
The one that went to bailiffs, history does show but doesn't
tell us anything new.
#Post#: 5972--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 24, 2023, 11:47 am
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--- Quote from: NightSoul link ---
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> [quote author=Neil B link=topic=581.msg5924#msg5924
date=1695549819]
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> For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the
numbers and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
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Where?
[/quote]
You can see the case history for TFL PCNs at
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2yu9pvr.png
The PCN appears to have been issued yesterday but we know TFL
don't have any postal collections on Saturday, so chances are
you'll get it Tuesday or Wednesday. While the regulations for
ULEZ do not explicitly state that the date of the PCN must be
the date of posting, it's still arguable that it should be.
For the other one, I can only recommend you follow Neil's
advice.
#Post#: 6014--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 25, 2023, 5:12 am
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Thank you NeilB
I think this must be the earlier PCN that I spoke of and
hopefully the PCN will now have been reset as requested in my
PE3 and I can now pay or dispute as appropriate. Of course I
will update this if and when I receive it.
#Post#: 6027--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 25, 2023, 7:33 am
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The 18th of April PCN, the earlier PCN being pursued by the
bailiff is for "Stopped on a pedestrian crossing or crossing
area marked by zigzags".
Be aware that unless things have changed this contravention can
also be enforced by the Police. In which case you'd get a Fixed
Penalty Notice and three points on your license. So I suggest
you don't do it again.
Somehow lost in the post in less than five months are:
2 x Postal PCNs,
2 x Charge Certificates,
1 x Order for Recovery,
1 x Bailiff Notice of Enforcement.
All that is a symptom of an incorrect address. Have you phoned
the TEC and asked for for the addresses registered with them for
the Orders for Recovery? Especially the house number and the
postcode.
I'd also check your driving record with the DVLA and make sure
you haven't had any points added that you don't know about. You
can do this online.
#Post#: 6033--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 25, 2023, 8:15 am
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Just to recap as perhaps I have not made it clear enough.
My original message said.
Hi everyone I have a problem arising from TFL and the
Northampton Count Court that I am sure someone has already
experienced. With absolutely no prior notice or warning I had
bailiff's turn up at my house yesterday. I was not at home but I
spoke to the bailiff n the phone and he supplied me basic
details of the "court order" this was the PCN ref, vehicle reg,
location and date. When I checked these out sure enough it was
for a PCN on a vehicle I own but issued from a CCTV image. This
was on 18 April 2023 and I definitely did not receive a PCN nor
did I receive any further reminders, charge notices etc. During
this time I have received post from the Royal Mail. The vehicle
was registered to me with the correct name and address and I
checked this with TFL. Further to this I did not receive any
letters from Northampton court not one. Also the bailiff claims
to have sent me a letter dated 21 August 2023 that they charged
me £75 for and that also never arrived. I am at a complete loss
to explain this situation and none of the organizations involved
are interested in helping. It is unfortunately too late to avoid
paying this judgement but I wanted to understand how this can be
legal. If I had a chance to pay the original fine it would have
been £80 but through no fault of mine it rose to £560. Please
let me know your thoughts.
I owned this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
I was not the driver of this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
The vehicle was registered to me at my current address and that
address was on the V5
I sold the vehicle at the beginning of August and had a receipt
from the DVLA to confirm.
I NEVER RECEIVED ANY LETTERS WHATSOEVER REGARDING THIS NO MATTER
HOW UNLIKELY THIS MAY SEEM.
The bailiff quite clearly had my correct address.
Phoning the TEC is almost impossible unless you take a day off
work.
#Post#: 6047--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 25, 2023, 1:04 pm
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THe only thing you have not done is check with the DVLA what
address was on the V5 when you owned it. At the moment, it is
scarcely credible that you have failed to receive six separate
letters all sent at intervals to an address that would have
originally been obtained from the DVLA keeper details for the
car.
My view is that your chances of getting an Out-of-Time Statutory
Declaration accepted by TEC are nil, unless you can prove the
address recorded on your V5 at the time of the contravention was
correct.
#Post#: 6067--------------------------------------------------
Re: County court judgement but no letters - Bailiff
DIR By: Paul@amv-uk.com
Date: September 26, 2023, 2:03 am
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Thanks for the reply, the details on the V5 were 100% accurate I
had the V5 in my name and address from January 2021 until August
2023. I still have a copy of the V5 and I also have the
notification of sale from the DVLA. There are 2 PCN's and in
both cases I never received the original PCN or any following
letters but on the PCN of 25 May I did receive the order for
recovery which first alerted me to the problem, the second PCN
was dated 18 April and the first I knew anything about it was
when bailiff's turned up at my home 0n 20 September. I have had
perhaps over 50 dealings with TFL for vehicles I own and were
registered with me over the last 6 years and in every case the
letters arrived and were dealt with.
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