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#Post#: 67293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: gunnapr
Date: April 15, 2025, 4:49 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> 'Initial appeal was rejected....'.
>
> I can't follow what's being posted.
>
> What exactly did you submit and what was their reply, which
would have been in writing?
>
> Pl read the READ THIS FIRST.. item at the top of the forum's
first page and post documents, not extracts, pl.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi,[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Initial appeal was driver was doing a quick delivery on this
street and parked the car for only 5 mins by the time driver was
back PCN was issued.
Council rejected saying below -
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE (PCN)
The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions
(Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022
Penalty Charge Notice Number: QM00184649
Date given: 21/02/2025 at 15:23
Place given: Hoyle Street
Vehicle registration: YA63OKK
Thank you for your enquiry, which we received on 23 February
2025.
You were given a PCN for parking adjacent to a dropped footway.
A dropped footway is
where the footway, cycle track or verge has been lowered to
facilitate easy access, including
assisting wheelchair users, and other pedestrians.
Dropped footways do not require signs or lines and any vehicle
parking alongside a dropped
footway is liable to receive a PCN and; where appropriate, the
vehicle may be removed
incurring further charges.
You have stated that I were loading and do not feel you were
causing any obstruction,
however in this instance there is no exemption for loading.
Dropped footways, as per the
Highway Code, must be left clear at all times.
I have carefully considered your case and I am satisfied that
your PCN was issued correctly,
and as such, I have taken the decision not to cancel it.
To view images taken at the time your PCN was issued, please
visit
www.manchester.gov.uk/parking
You have these choices:
1. The PCN will be reduced to £35.00 if it is paid within 14
days from the date this letter was
served.
2. If you do not pay the PCN within 14 days of this letter being
served, the charge will
increase to £70.00.
3. If the PCN is not paid or successfully challenged, the
Council may serve a Notice to Owner
(NtO) after 28 days of the PCN being served on the owner of the
vehicle requiring payment of
the full PCN. The owner can then make representations to the
Council and may appeal to an
independent adjudicator if those representations are rejected.
The NtO will contain
instructions for doing this".
Here is the full letter from council -
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pfKWPC2
Thanks
#Post#: 67343--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 16, 2025, 6:35 am
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Thanks.
Thanks.
I'll look at the NTO on which point pl repost deleting only the
recipient's name and address.
Pl confirm that the addressee is you because only the addressee
may make formal reps.
As regards reps, what hard evidence is there regarding the
delivery?
#Post#: 67421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: gunnapr
Date: April 16, 2025, 12:42 pm
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Thanks,
yes, im the addressee in this case.
Regarding delivery, its not like driver is a registered delivery
guy like DHL, RM etc just dropping off some stuff the business
on the same street brought.
Please let me know if you need more info. I think im running
late to make representation with the council.
Thanks.
#Post#: 67423--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 16, 2025, 12:47 pm
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[member=5029]gunnapr[/member] let's start with the basics, what
was being unloaded, and where is the address that the item or
items were being unloaded to in relation to where the car was
parked?
Also if you're the person who was receiving the items, how has
the PCN come to your attention in the first place?
Please post the NTO without redacting anything aside from name
and address. The deadline for representations to be received by
the council is 30 April so it's not as if you're going to run
out of time this week, and it's better to take a bit of time
putting a solid argument together. Do not send something off in
a mad rush as you won't get another chance.
Lastly "some stuff the business on the same street brought" is
largely meaningless, can you rephrase this please?
#Post#: 67454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: gunnapr
Date: April 16, 2025, 3:44 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> [member=5029]gunnapr[/member] let's start with the basics,
what was being unloaded, and where is the address that the item
or items were being unloaded to in relation to where the car was
parked?
>
> Also if you're the person who was receiving the items, how has
the PCN come to your attention in the first place?
>
> Please post the NTO without redacting anything aside from name
and address. The deadline for representations to be received by
the council is 30 April so it's not as if you're going to run
out of time this week, and it's better to take a bit of time
putting a solid argument together. Do not send something off in
a mad rush as you won't get another chance.
>
> Lastly "some stuff the business on the same street brought" is
largely meaningless, can you rephrase this please?
>
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Hi CP,
Thanks for the reply.
I been delivering/disposing some old crap items that left in my
house and the address is Waste On Wheels Northwestern street
next to where the car is parked and im the driver at that time
and also the owner. When i came back to the vehicle thats when i
noticed the PCN.
Please see full NTO -
HTML https://imgur.com/a/L3gWjqf
Regards
#Post#: 67458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 16, 2025, 3:52 pm
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So did you pay the company to dispose of those items, and if so
do you have a receipt?
#Post#: 67594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: gunnapr
Date: April 17, 2025, 2:12 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> So did you pay the company to dispose of those items, and if
so do you have a receipt?
>
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No i didnt paid for this, normally you have to pay so they come
and collect the waste but i know the guy and he said he got a
disposal van with stuff he is going to take it for disposal and
said if i can bring the old crap so he will put them in together
as the van got some space. so i drove over there and dropped my
stuff in the van.
Regards
#Post#: 67642--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 18, 2025, 8:55 am
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Does this guy own the business or does he just work there?
Can he sign a witness statement if we help you draft it?
#Post#: 67656--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: gunnapr
Date: April 18, 2025, 12:44 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> Does this guy own the business or does he just work there?
>
> Can he sign a witness statement if we help you draft it?
>
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Hi CP,
Guy just works there and i know him so he said he got van which
is half empty and its going to disposal site and asked me if i
can bring my old crap so he will put them in all in the same van
and take it.
i can ask him about witness statement but the only problem his
business doesnt know that he is taking my stuff.
Thanks
#Post#: 67661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester city council PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 18, 2025, 1:54 pm
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--- Quote from: gunnapr link ---
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> i can ask him about witness statement but the only problem his
business doesnt know that he is taking my stuff.
>
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Well a wittiness statement from him is the bare minimum you
would need. It's not exactly very likely that the business
owners are going to be checking random tribunal decisions to
check if any of the employees have given a statement.
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