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#Post#: 71998--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 17, 2025, 3:04 pm
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> Got it i will draft something for you tomorrow evening
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Can you confirm your exact parking spot. Is it here?
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5796063,0.0622555,3a,90y,11.49h,93.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPbqZoH9sYRNtRcgQI6DMog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.7444762048315567%26panoid%3DPbqZoH9sYRNtRcgQI6DMog%26yaw%3D11.489395957884511!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 72002--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: May 17, 2025, 3:55 pm
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> [quote author=Pastmybest link=topic=5773.msg71876#msg71876
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> Got it i will draft something for you tomorrow evening
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Can you confirm your exact parking spot. Is it here?
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5796063,0.0622555,3a,90y,11.49h,93.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPbqZoH9sYRNtRcgQI6DMog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.7444762048315567%26panoid%3DPbqZoH9sYRNtRcgQI6DMog%26yaw%3D11.489395957884511!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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No, this is the exact spot -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sgMCNK5R5iRzPAxv9
- outside 90 Woodford
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#Post#: 72022--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 18, 2025, 6:20 am
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Great.
The photos taken by TFL show the back of the sign and the
markings though not as clearly as GSV so a formal representation
needs be no more than
Formal representation re
PCN number xxxxxxx
VRM number AA 23 ABC
I make formal representation to the council with regard to the
above numbered PCN on the basis that
The alleged contravention did not occur;
Your response to my informal challenge was a rejection on the
basis that there are no signs or markings at the location. This
is not correct. in the attached GSV both a sign and markings can
be seen
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5801391,0.061252,3a,20.3y,339.15h,81.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sylXYaT0erfUzkKPVpjnziA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.437860915054173%26panoid%3DylXYaT0erfUzkKPVpjnziA%26yaw%3D339.1504367120462!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
As your GLA 2007 314 creates an exemption and the sign and
markings specify parking on the pavement as evidenced is allowed
the PCN and NTO must be cancelled
Regards
#Post#: 72034--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 18, 2025, 7:25 am
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I don't think TfL get this issue.
To go back to 1974, London was split into metropolitan roads and
borough roads. The GLC was responsible for metropolitan roads
alone but with support of London boroughs promoted the GLC
General Powers Act prohibiting parking on the footway anywhere
within the Greater London area. But they provided a means by
which boroughs and now TfL could opt out for any roads in their
area.
Disapplication of the GP Act does NOT of itself create parking
places on the footway, it simply disapplies the footway parking
ban thereby permitting waiting on the footway PROVIDED that
there is not another provision restricting this e.g. yellow and,
now, RED lines etc.
What TfL have done is:
To exclude those lengths of street(NOT just the footway but the
carriageway as well) for those items in Schedule 2A.
But they have placed DRL there.
That's unlawful.
3. General prohibition of stopping
(1) Subject to the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this
article, and of
articles 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10, no person shall cause any vehicle
to stop on a
red route during the restricted hours.
(2) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (3) of this article,
and of articles 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10, no person shall cause any
vehicle to stop at any time on a length of red route specified
in schedule 4.
(3) The controls specified in paragraphs (1) and (2) of this
article do not apply in respect of any area of or length of road
specified in an item in column (2) of the table in schedule 2A.
So, NONE of the 'lengths of road specified in column (2) of the
table in Schedule 2A ' may be marked with DRL.
But they are!
My emphasis above. A 'red route' is the whole road and not, as
TfL make believe, the carriageway alone.
#Post#: 72066--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 18, 2025, 11:05 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> I don't think TfL get this issue.
>
> To go back to 1974, London was split into metropolitan roads
and borough roads. The GLC was responsible for metropolitan
roads alone but with support of London boroughs promoted the GLC
General Powers Act prohibiting parking on the footway anywhere
within the Greater London area. But they provided a means by
which boroughs and now TfL could opt out for any roads in their
area.
>
> Disapplication of the GP Act does NOT of itself create parking
places on the footway, it simply disapplies the footway parking
ban thereby permitting waiting on the footway PROVIDED that
there is not another provision restricting this e.g. yellow and,
now, RED lines etc.
>
> What TfL have done is:
>
> To exclude those lengths of street(NOT just the footway but
the carriageway as well) for those items in Schedule 2A.
>
> But they have placed DRL there.
>
> That's unlawful.
>
> 3. General prohibition of stopping
> (1) Subject to the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of
this article, and of
> articles 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10, no person shall cause any
vehicle to stop on a
> red route during the restricted hours.
> (2) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (3) of this
article, and of articles 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10, no person shall
cause any vehicle to stop at any time on a length of red route
specified in schedule 4.
> (3) The controls specified in paragraphs (1) and (2) of this
article do not apply in respect of any area of or length of road
specified in an item in column (2) of the table in schedule 2A.
>
> So, NONE of the 'lengths of road specified in column (2) of
the table in Schedule 2A ' may be marked with DRL.
>
> But they are!
>
> My emphasis above. A 'red route' is the whole road and not, as
TfL make believe, the carriageway alone.
>
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true but it will not matter at this stage you and I both know
TfL think they can make it up as they gp along
#Post#: 72070--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 18, 2025, 11:17 am
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As in so-called footway parking signs annotated:
'In marked areas only'
OP, the mandated sign is : 'in marked bays'.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made
Part 2 Sign Table, Item 15, Col (4) refers.
#Post#: 75297--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: June 7, 2025, 3:41 pm
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Interestingly a week after receiving my formal reps, someone has
been to this location and marked out all the faded bays in
chalk. And more interestingly have marked the exact area where I
was parked as bike parking. Seems TfL may have taken my feedback
seriously?
#Post#: 93164--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: October 7, 2025, 3:08 am
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TfL didn't take any further action on this PCN, but also didn't
send through any correspondence to cancel it. Is there anything
else I need to do or is the PCN considered effectively cancelled
after any particular length of time?
#Post#: 93179--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: October 7, 2025, 4:15 am
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I'm not suggesting actually doing this without getting a lot
more official legal advice than I'm able to offer in my role as
a completely unqualified random stranger on the internet, but In
your shoes I'd consider a note saying something like:
Dear Parking
Bearing in mind that that putting up a sign that says I can park
somewhere then fining me for believing that sign obviously
constitutes entrapment, and I've heard nothing from you for a
while, I believe my current options are:
1) Hire a legal team, apply to the Court for a stay, and ask the
Court to award costs
or
2) Pay up then hire a legal team, prosecute the Council for
unlawful enrichment, get my money back and ask the Court to
award costs.
...unless of course can you confirm that you've dropped the
matter?
#Post#: 93216--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 7, 2025, 6:35 am
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> TfL didn't take any further action on this PCN, but also
didn't send through any correspondence to cancel it. Is there
anything else I need to do or is the PCN considered effectively
cancelled after any particular length of time?
>
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What is the online status/history of the PCN say?
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