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#Post#: 65371--------------------------------------------------
TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: April 2, 2025, 6:13 am
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I've parked in this spot many times over the many years I've
lived here usually 9-5 (it's near the station) with no issues.
Many others park along this stretch routinely. There's a park on
pavement in marked bays only road sign, with an arrow pointing
left. I was parked just to the left of this.
Issue is that none of the 'bays' are clearly marked at all, they
are all faded. So you'll see that my 'bay' is only marked on one
side, and only faintly at that.
Am I able to contest this, on the grounds that any reasonable
motorist would believe that this is a valid, albeit faded
parking bay (it is to the left of the parking sign, there is a
marking visible on one side, and all the other bays here are
also faded)?
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#Post#: 65377--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 2, 2025, 6:39 am
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Motorists aren't allowed to park anywhere there whether within
marked bays or not. TfL are idiots.
You cannot have double red lines and footway parking because the
effect of the DRL is NO stopping, let alone parking/waiting, at
any point between the centre-line of the carriageway and the
back of the footway.
I cannot make out what point you're making. I can see that they
have tried to leave single vehicle width gaps to allow cars to
cross the footway, did you park wholly or in part on one of
these?
#Post#: 65381--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 2, 2025, 6:58 am
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Well, this line and sign arrangement is of long standing; here
is GSV 2008
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#Post#: 65383--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 2, 2025, 7:02 am
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Leaving aside the legality of allowing off-carriageway parking
there the absence of clear bay markings along the road there and
position of sign should win this for you IMO. If you step back
in time you can see various markings but it's what's there now
that counts IMO.
#Post#: 65404--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: April 2, 2025, 8:12 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Motorists aren't allowed to park anywhere there whether within
marked bays or not. TfL are idiots.
>
> You cannot have double red lines and footway parking because
the effect of the DRL is NO stopping, let alone parking/waiting,
at any point between the centre-line of the carriageway and the
back of the footway.
>
> I cannot make out what point you're making. I can see that
they have tried to leave single vehicle width gaps to allow cars
to cross the footway, did you park wholly or in part on one of
these?
>
--- End Quote ---
Interesting, thanks for the reply and no, did not park in any of
those gaps used for crossing the footway, neither wholly nor in
part.
#Post#: 65406--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: April 2, 2025, 8:15 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Leaving aside the legality of allowing off-carriageway parking
there the absence of clear bay markings along the road there and
position of sign should win this for you IMO. If you step back
in time you can see various markings but it's what's there now
that counts IMO.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly my reasoning. I've done the initial challenge with TfL
now, let's see what they come back with.
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Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 2, 2025, 8:30 am
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I thought I'd give you the legal position. Whether TfL's idiocy
in this matter spans weeks or decades doesn't matter, the law is
the law. (except that the first time anyone gets a PCN for
stopping they'd rely upon 'legitimate expectation' anyway). It
illustrates collective stupidity. I'm not even certain that
footway parking is supported by a resolution of the GLA, how
could there be a legal document completely at odds with the
Traffic Management Order which underpins the DRL.
Anyway you've submitted informal reps..
...and said what?
#Post#: 65477--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: April 2, 2025, 8:21 pm
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In the submission to TfL I said the following:
I believe parking is permitted at this location based on the
signage available. The sign seemed to indicate that there were
marked bays to the left, although the markings for all of the
bays seemed to have all but faded away. Thus I, like any other
motorist, was left to deduce the locations of the bays using
common sense and what was left of the markings. Given the very
faded marking at the front of my car, and the sign some distance
from the rear of my car, I made the very reasonable assumption
that I was parking in one of the bays referred to by the sign.
#Post#: 65479--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 3, 2025, 12:18 am
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Thanks. Seems reasonable.
While you're waiting for a reply, you might submit a request to
TfL for a copy of the resolution made under section 15(4) of the
Greater London Council(General Powers) Act 1974 which disapplies
the provisions of s15 regarding parking on the footway in that
part of Woodford Avenue between Collinwood Gardens and Beechwood
Gardens, ***(put in post code).
Do not refer to the PCN, this is a request you're entitled to
make in any event.
#Post#: 65509--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL red route - parked on footway - physical PCN
DIR By: Coldhands
Date: April 3, 2025, 5:01 am
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Thanks, have done that while we wait!
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