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#Post#: 65262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 1, 2025, 1:55 pm
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£280 indicates a London PCN that's reached the bailiff warrant
stage.
£130 = PCN
£65 = PCN Charge Cert surcharge
£10 = Court Registration fee
£75 = Bailiff's Notice of Enforcement
You're missing the original postal PCN, the Charge Cert, the
Order for Recovery and the Notice of Enforcement. They can't all
be lost in the post. Your story indicates that the name &
address on the V5c registration document for your car is
incorrect or otherwise incorrect.
Or sometimes the car is leased or maybe a company car and the
PCN and subsequent docs have gone to the lease or finance
company or your employer and they have not responded.
So are your the V5c holder? If yes, then check the name and
address. Don't just assume it's right, dig it out and check the
name and address.
The bailiff, Marston, can only enforce at the address on their
warrant. If they cannot enforce at the address they have then
they will try and discover your current address and ask the
Council to apply to the Traffic Enforcement Centre at
Northampton County Court to have the warrant re-issued
(re-sealed) against your current address. That's why she was
anxious to discover your address.
However the bailiff can still clamp and impound your car if it's
found in a public place even if the warrant address is
incorrect. Such as on the street.
#Post#: 65263--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 1, 2025, 1:57 pm
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+1.
As I read this, it has nothing to do with tunnels or crossings
but is a simple PCN issued by post to the DVLA address of the
registered keeper on the date of the contravention (address A)
to which you did not respond because you did not physically
obtain any notices. The procedure ground on and now enforcement
agents have been instructed to execute a warrant of control.
So, these facts will help:
Date of contravention;
Date your V5C last updated;
How and when did you notify DVLA of this change;
Date you moved from address A;
Did you put in place mail forwarding with Royal Mail?
At present IMO your account reads like a lot of noise being made
about something which is essentially your fault. Sorry, but
there we are.
The very simple facts above would make the situation clear and
indicate if there's a way of getting matters reset to the PCN
stage.
#Post#: 65265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:02 pm
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From the first post I detected that there may be an address
change around the time of the PCN which is why I asked for the
VRM. We don't have the PCN number yet.
More to the point should the £280 be paid now the address is out
of the bag.
#Post#: 65269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Brosmith
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:18 pm
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There was an address changed. Pcn event on 3rd May 2024. Dvla
changed my address 10th May 2024. Dvla took at least a month
to change it from my notification.
I've not recieved anything re this pcn. And knew nothing about
it until yesterday. As I said on my original post, I only rang
the text number as I thought it was for a dart chart I'd paid
but they thought I hadn't.
#Post#: 65271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:27 pm
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So once again, what's the car's reg?
Please have a read of the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING
YOUR CASE!**
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/msg3/#msg3
The instructions on posting documents are very clear and you are
explicitly asked not to redact PCN numbers and the vehicle's
registration mark.
Marston's already know the VRM and now they also know your
current address.
#Post#: 65273--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Brosmith
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:39 pm
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I'm asking procedural questions.
So my number plate is irrelevant.
All that will tell you it's taxed and if it's tested or needs
testing.
I don't have the pcn number at present.
Again I'm asking procedural questions? This is what I need help
with. Once I know this I can get on with this case and work out
what to do. I'm more than happy to pay the original pcn charge.
I'm not paying all the extras, when it is not my fault I
recieved nothing. As someone said, to not receive so many
letters, means I'm lying( which I am not) or they were never
sent to my address. In which case I should only be paying the
original charge.
#Post#: 65276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: MrChips
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:55 pm
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With all due respect, the 'procedural' questions you are asking
suggest you do not really have an understanding of your
situation. And on this forum, you are surrounded by numerous
experts who have helped hundreds of people who come here in the
exact same circumstances you describe.
Not receiving letters does not mean you are lying, it's entirely
consistent with your story and an address move so close to the
PCN date. PCNs fall under a very strict (civil) legal process,
full of deadlines and required actions (by you, the relevant
council and the bailiffs). This includes sending all notices to
the address provided by DVLA when the offence is committed.
Without following good advice, the most likely outcome is that
you will end up paying the full amount including bailiff charges
(which will increase over time). The timing of your address
move does give you a possible chance to get this reverted back
to the PCN stage (where you can either pay it or choose to fight
it at the original penalty level) but it requires the discretion
of the Traffic Enforcement Centre (and to an extent Hackney) and
so you need to play your cards right which requires experience
more than being told about procedure.
#Post#: 65277--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Brosmith
Date: April 1, 2025, 3:06 pm
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Thank you Mr Chips.
#Post#: 65308--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 1, 2025, 11:30 pm
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Date of contravention; we're told 3 May
Date your V5C last updated; we're told 10 May
How and when did you notify DVLA of this change; 'DVLA took at
least a month to change it from my notification'
Date you moved from address A; no idea
Did you put in place mail forwarding with Royal Mail? No idea.
OP, IMO there is no way forward with any likelihood of success
unless you order your thoughts and evidence as above.
Claims and assertions must be accompanied by proof.
If you notified DVLA of your amended RK details 'at least a
month [before 10 May] then this is the proof you need. Without
this I cannot you might succeed, with it you definitely should.
If you don't have this proof then get it from DVLA.
I notified DVLA by ****(method) of a change in my RK address on
(date).
The contravention occurred on 3 May, the PCN was issued on **
and served on ***.
DVLA took ** weeks to action my change in details, see V5C with
latest amended date 10 May, and this inevitably caused the
authority to issue the PCN and subsequent notices to an
unoccupied address.
#Post#: 65379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unknown pcn from May last year. Text and call.
DIR By: Brosmith
Date: April 2, 2025, 6:50 am
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Pcn qz16458304
MW22KWD
I don't dispute the offence.
I never recieved any documentation.
I've have sar Marstons.
I have listened to the 9 min call again.
I have also spoke to enforcement, they admitted they sent
correspondence to my old address last November even though they
knew my address changed 9th May 2024 offence 3rd May 2024. When
I said we'll call it off and pass back to the council, since I
never recieved any documentation, they stated I should have had
mail redirected. I said this isn't a legal requirement. She
said they will still send officers to seize goods they will
still clamp my car if seen on a public road.
First I knew of this was on Monday at 10am. 9 min call. They
demanded £560. Even though when I checked the website
stated£280. From the sar I can see that on the same day at 2pm
they applied for a warrant and various other documents. I
cannot view the documents just see a list as the password system
doesn't seem to be working. I've emailed re this. I just get a
frustrating ever turning circle.
I've spoken to the fca, they were very shocked at Marstons
behavior.They have told me to complain to marstons whic will
take up yo 8 weeks. I have emailed Marstons yesterday asking
them to put the case on hold for 14 days whilst I look into
this? As I said I'm happy to pay the original but not the
outstanding charges.
Martons have not responded to my email re putting on hold. And
having just spoken to enforcement in Manchester they are not
aware.
So what now? I dare not leave my door open or drive. Please
help
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