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#Post#: 65270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:20 pm
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Don't concern yourself with the PCNs at the CC stage, it's
premature and distracting IMO.
Your concern is the warrant.
I would pay the £280. This does NOT affect your chances of
resetting back to the PCN and consequently getting a full
refund, but it does stop the enforcement clock. For all we know
a Notice of Enforcement could arrive tomorrow and give you just
7 clear days to pay or else the debt increases by £235.
..and if your out-of-time submission should fail for whatever
reason then you'd be £235 worse off than necessary.
#Post#: 65272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:36 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Don't concern yourself with the PCNs at the CC stage, it's
premature and distracting IMO.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wouldn't trust Haringey's status page. The OP really doesn't
want to miss OfRs and calling TEC will resolve that for now.
#Post#: 65275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:47 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Don't concern yourself with the PCNs at the CC stage, it's
premature and distracting IMO.
>
> Your concern is the warrant.
>
> I would pay the £280. This does NOT affect your chances of
resetting back to the PCN and consequently getting a full
refund, but it does stop the enforcement clock. For all we know
a Notice of Enforcement could arrive tomorrow and give you just
7 clear days to pay or else the debt increases by £235.
>
> ..and if your out-of-time submission should fail for whatever
reason then you'd be £235 worse off than necessary.
--- End Quote ---
The Notice of Enforcement has already been served. It's been
posted up earlier today. The NoE is dated the 28th March and
expires on the 7th of April. I'm not sure that's seven clear
days unless the NoE was hand delivered?
#Post#: 65317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: czgm1h
Date: April 2, 2025, 2:58 am
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Update
- I called TEC, and confirmed that:
- ZN14587347 - £195 (CC Sent): NOT REGISTERED YET AS DEBT (02
APRIL 2025)
- ZN1484088A - £195 (CC Sent): NOT REGISTERED YET AS DEBT (02
APRIL 2025)
- Paid the fine to CDER group for the amount of £280, and stated
CDER reference (Not Client reference) in bank transfer, as per
CDER group representative instructions.
--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> The NoE is dated the 28th March and expires on the 7th of
April. I'm not sure that's seven clear days unless the NoE was
hand delivered?
>
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FYI, I have received enforcement notice letter through post on
1st of April. It was not delivered by hand to me.
Next steps:
- Not sure if this is a unique case, since I have 3 different
PCN at different stages. I would like to understand the order to
which I should approach PE2 and PE3 forms.
- Do we want to wait for remaining PCR to be registered as
debts and then obtain signature for all three PCNs at once?
- Or do we want to work on PE2 form first since we have paid
the enforcement agents now, and deal with PE3 forms once they
reach debt stage with TEC as per instructions:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
- If above is unclear, I am happy to try one out and post
results here on the thread
- I also fixed the PE2 form and changed applicant to: London
Borough of Haringey
- One more question, does the PE3 form completion date matters?
E.g. I called the county court just now to see available
appointments, and seems like you can get one a week in advance,
so next available slot would be 8th April from today. Once the
PE3 forms becomes debt, is it wise to wait 1 week to get the
form witnessed and then send it off, or would it be better to
pay £5/£10 to get it signed the same day and send it the same
day.
#Post#: 65322--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 2, 2025, 3:44 am
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If the NoE was posted then IMO it's payment date was unlawful
and as a document it was improper. 7 clear days excludes in this
case the day of delivery and Sundays therefore could not be
before 9th. Keep the NoE because you should be able to argue for
the return of £75 if nothing else.
#Post#: 65328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: czgm1h
Date: April 2, 2025, 3:54 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> If the NoE was posted then IMO it's payment date was unlawful
and as a document it was improper. 7 clear days excludes in this
case the day of delivery and Sundays therefore could not be
before 9th. Keep the NoE because you should be able to argue for
the return of £75 if nothing else.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am happy to take responsibility for my contraventions, and if
some actions as part of the applicant or enforcement agent are
unlawful I am happy to also fight against that. Do you know
where I could escalate this and argue for £75? What would that
involve?
#Post#: 65341--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 2, 2025, 4:22 am
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HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bailiffs-and-enforcement-agents-national-standards
#Post#: 65345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 2, 2025, 4:31 am
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Keep an eye on the status page for the two at CC and for peace
of mind recheck with TEC say every 2 weeks. When the debts are
registered, orders for recovery will be sent to your old address
but you don't need the physical letters to file statutory
declarations that you didn't get the PCNs, only the knowledge
that the process has reached this stage.
#Post#: 65438--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 2, 2025, 10:56 am
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PCNs ZN14587347 and ZN1484088A which have Charge Certificates
and sit at £195 each have status on the Haringey website of "On
Hold: DMC RULE - Awaiting outcome on registered PCN
(04/02/2025)"
The "registered PCN" is very likely the PCN that went to the
Bailiff but what does "On Hold: DMC RULE" mean? To me it
certainly implies that Haringey know there is an issue with the
service of documents?
#Post#: 65526--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
DIR By: czgm1h
Date: April 3, 2025, 7:32 am
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Update Timeline
1st of April
- Receive CDER Group NoE Letter through postal delivery
- Sent complaint to the London council of Haringey about
handling of the case (although it was just simple complaint,
nothing to propose resolution)
2nd of April
- Sent payment to enforcement agency (CDER Group) for the
amount of £280
- Sent (email) formal complaint to enforcement agency (CDER
Group) regarding Regulation 7 of The Taking Control of Goods
Regulations 2013, with:
- Case details
- Grounds for complaint
- Request for resolution
- Scheduled meeting with County Court for witness signature
for PE2 form
3rd of April
- Received acknowledgement text message from CDER group that
payment has been received, subject to clearance.
- Received email response to my formal complaint from CDER
Group
- Further responded to CDER Group specifically highlight my
complaint and pointing them to relevant regulation
Ongoing:
- Waiting for update on the other PCNs to be regsistered as
debts
- Scheduled meeting with County Court for PE2 form is for next
week
- CDER group complaint is ongoing, awaiting response from
their side
I will update this post if there are more things to come today.
/Small edit
Enforcement agent website is slightly confusing, there are 2
pages that mention how you can make a complaint, but each
website points to different email address:
HTML https://www.cdergroup.co.uk/contact/make-a-complaint/
- email:
customercare@cdergroup.co.uk (sent here)
HTML https://www.cdergroup.co.uk/contact/
- email:
customercare@contactcder.co.uk
I hope I don't have to resend my complaint to the other email
address. - Received response, there is no need to send to
another CDER group inbox.
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