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PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: March 31, 2025, 3:31 pm
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Hi folks, I need some advice on a PCN that was issued to me last
week saying that I contravene the code 622 means "you parked
with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of a
road other than the carriageway".
This is a parking bay on my street as you can see in the picture
attached. Cars are not expected to be parked there between
10.30am and 11.30am. However, since I do have a blue badge and
the road does have a yellow line, I am assumed that I could park
in the bay. I set the clock on my blue badge to 10.00am. You can
see from the picture that the blue badge is visible in the
picture. The ticket inspector issued me with a ticket at 10.59.
I have attached the parking sign picture. I would appreciate any
advice on whether I am in the right and if I've got a good
chance of challenging this PCN. It seems the ticket inspector's
argument is that I parked with car tyres on the pavement when I
shouldn't be at restricted time.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 31, 2025, 3:50 pm
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We've seen this situation before and I think we've seen it off
as it's a nonsense contravention.
Is it Havering or Redbridge?
Post the PCN with no redactions.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: March 31, 2025, 4:11 pm
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The PCN is from Havering. They have the Clearway sign for
between 1030am and 1130am suggesting cars are not allowed to
park in the parking bays which got me rattled on whether I have
grounds for appeal. Would appreciate any advice. Please find
attached the PCN picture. Removed a section of my Vehicle
registration.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 31, 2025, 4:41 pm
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You don't need to hide the VRM. We can't look at the council's
pics properly.
What they are saying is that you would be exempt if on the
carriageway but not when in the 2-wheel up bay.
The yellow line only controls 1 hour a day to prevent commuter
parking.
There are no footway bays marked on Havering's site so I think
there is a resolution allowing footway parking and the marked
bays may or may not be mentioned in the resolution.
Penalising a BB holder for this is ridiculous but I can't recall
what argument we've used before.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: April 1, 2025, 1:03 am
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My apologies for removing the Vehicle Registration Number. I
have now included another pic of PCN ticket without redacting
Vehicle registration Number.
By the way, I set my blue badge to 10am which should have
covered me for 3 hours when I parked there and the blue badge
was displayed.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 1, 2025, 6:16 am
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The only traffic order there is the 1 hour yellow line and in my
view the footway parking sign and markings are irrelevant as
Havering must have allowed footway parking there.
The correct contravention is an 01 yellow line for which you are
exempt.
At least that's my take.
And it's obviously ludicrous to expect a BB holder to move a car
off and on the footway just for that hour.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: April 1, 2025, 8:58 am
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Thanks for the feedback Stamfordman. I will be researching the
01 yellow line. Is there a template letter for appeal somewhere
on the internet that I can use for the PCN appeal?
Not sure if this information is relevant. My occupational
therapist recommended an installation of a disabled bay in
January because of my physical disability. The council
department were doing consultation but all responses from
residents stopped on the 7th of March. Can this form part of the
appeal?
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 1, 2025, 9:49 am
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They really don't get it, do they.
The blue P on white background in this configuration is a
PARKING PLACE traffic sign, see item 3 in the Part 4 sign table
in the Traffic Signs etc. Regs:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/4/made
There is no provision for the variant 'At all other times'.
But it's not a parking place according to the Trafweb info.
The correct sign for footway parking without a parking place is
at items 12 and 14 in the Part 2 sign table here:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made
Their sign is a real mish-mash.
So, if footway parking has been disapplied by resolution then
the wrong signs have been posted and therefore it's of no
effect. But despite this the markings which extend to the
footway only clearly indicate that the council will accept
motorists parking therein, albeit unlawfully.
But if it's supposed to be a parking place then again the wrong
sign has been placed AND the carriageway markings are missing.
OP, you have plenty of time to submit reps therefore as you live
there pl take photos of the junction with Birkdale. You can see
in one of your photos that there's a correct footway parking
sign there and I want to trace its origins. Photos should show
detail and wider context pl.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:00 pm
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Thanks for those comments HC Anderson. Please find attached the
photos of Firham Park Avenue with Birkdale as you requested. Let
me know if you would rather I retake the photos.
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Re: PCN ticket for code 622
DIR By: moa
Date: April 1, 2025, 2:03 pm
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I have added more photos. My bad
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