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Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute B14
Stuttgart
DIR By: ojnab
Date: March 31, 2025, 6:45 am
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I know this is a UK website, but people here are very
knowledgeable and have helped me in the past, so I hope you can
help.<br>
<br>I was driving into Stuttgart seeing multiple signage about
80kmh for cars and 60kmh for trucks, plus signs about low
emission zones, in addition to the direction signage that I was
looking for. I never saw any lower speed limits signs at the
time. Reviewing the dashcam video I see that there was a 60 sign
at the start of a tunnel and reminder on a sharp curve, and for
the second ticket there was an 80/60 sign followed by a 60 sign,
then almost immediately a 50 and immediately afterwards a low
emission zone sign. And yes I was going the alleged speed.
(attached are both NIPs redacted)
<br><br>The second offence is a simple EUR 40 fine so its easy
to pay, but for the first one there's no information about
payment.
<br><br>Does this mean I have to go to court? Is it worth filing
a defence on the basis of confusing signage? What is the likely
fine? Is it worth combining both tickets into a single case?
I cannot get points on my licence as Switzerland does not have a
points system, but the Swiss will enforce EU fines. If the fine
is going to be large do I need a lawyer?
<br><br>PS: If this belongs in the Flame Pit because it's non-UK
then please feel free to move it.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: John Glacier
Date: March 31, 2025, 3:33 pm
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Does the large NIP say anything about naming the driver or
court?
#Post#: 65113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: BertB
Date: April 1, 2025, 4:06 am
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There is no mention of payment, but at this stage it seems to
resemble what we would receive in the UK of a combined NIP/S.172
letting you know the nature of the offence and an invitation to
supply/correct your details. The next step will be communicated
to you after.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/bWNHEmC.png
HTML http://
The above image is from Google Translate. I cannot confirm the
accuracy in its translation.
Edit, reading that again it is almost a combined NIP/SJPN as it
seems you have the chance to make representations via the form.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: April 1, 2025, 10:02 am
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According to ADAC
A strengthened German-Swiss Police Treaty comes into effect on
May 1st, 2024, enabling the enforcement of traffic fines issued
in Switzerland against drivers residing in Germany, and vice
versa, warns the German auto club ADAC.
The new treaty empowers Swiss authorities to collect outstanding
fines from German drivers re-entering Switzerland'
Presumably, the Swiss authorities can also collect fines from
Swiss drivers who get German penalties?
The op needs to consult Swiss/German motoring clubs/forums.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: ojnab
Date: April 2, 2025, 1:46 am
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--- Quote from: baroudeur link ---
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> The op needs to consult Swiss/German motoring clubs/forums.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks I'll see if I can find anything that I can understand on
TCS's and ADAC's websites (at least TCS will have French)
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: ojnab
Date: April 13, 2025, 5:34 am
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--- Quote from: ojnab link ---
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> Thanks I'll see if I can find anything that I can understand
on TCS's and ADAC's websites (at least TCS will have French)
>
--- End Quote ---
So I found this by asking on expat FB group
German traffic fine calculator
HTML https://www.how-to-germany.com/traffic-fines-calculator/
It says that the fine is only going to be about EUR 150-180 and
possibly banned from driving within Germany for a month.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: April 13, 2025, 6:32 am
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--- Quote from: ojnab link ---
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> [quote author=ojnab link=topic=5739.msg65314#msg65314
date=1743576373]
> Thanks I'll see if I can find anything that I can understand
on TCS's and ADAC's websites (at least TCS will have French)
>
--- End Quote ---
So I found this by asking on expat FB group
German traffic fine calculator
HTML https://www.how-to-germany.com/traffic-fines-calculator/
It says that the fine is only going to be about EUR 150-180 and
possibly banned from driving within Germany for a month.
[/quote]
There is a time limit for payment/reply which you seem to have
exceeded if you haven't paid or replied yet.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: ojnab
Date: April 13, 2025, 11:20 am
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--- Quote from: baroudeur link ---
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> There is a time limit for payment/reply which you seem to have
exceeded if you haven't paid or replied yet.
>
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I already submitted the admission of guilt with the statement of
mitigating circumstances, but didn't include a copy of my
passport photo page because it didn't say anywhere on the forms
that I needed to (and what's the point if I am admitting that I
was driving).
The German police asked the Swiss police why I didn't include
the passport photo page. The Swiss police that came to my house
joked with me about German bureaucracy and signage. They said
the Germans would probably put up a signpost to warn you that
there's a signpost.
Anyway all the forms are completed correctly and the Swiss
police said they'd tell the Germans off for wasting their time.
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Re: Confusing signage 87 in 60 and 64 in 50 during same minute
B14 Stuttgart
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 14, 2025, 12:58 pm
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It seems the Swiss have a slightly better sense of humour than
the German polizei!
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