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Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: Georgia
Date: March 29, 2025, 9:48 am
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I permanently exported my car to an EU country but received a
summons to court following a not guilty plea for keeping a motor
vehicle without insurance. Car is fully insured in country where
is now registered but was not declared sorn at the time.
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Re: Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: Freecall
Date: March 29, 2025, 10:20 am
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How did you notify the DVLA of the permanent export?
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Re: Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: March 29, 2025, 10:36 am
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In a nutshell, if you are the Registered Keeper of a vehicle and
it is not taxed, you are guilty of the offence unless you have
notified the DVLA that it is no longer on the road
(SORN/scrapped/exported) in the prescribed manner.
Your story appears to have changed from having notified the DVLA
that you had permanently exported it, to you not having SORN it.
As a general rule, we will not judge you for whatever motoring
related offences you are accused of or have committed. However,
we will judge you on how you behave on this forum.
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Re: Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: Georgia
Date: March 29, 2025, 12:16 pm
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I sent the section 11 of my V5 logbook to DVLA via post as
advised on the DVLA website. i did not SORN it before as i was
under the impression that i did not need to SORN the car if i
was permanently exporting it. i have applied to have the car
SORN now. my apologies if this was not clear in my original
post
My car is now registered in my new country of residence and has
a full car insurance in the country is now registered. however
it still shows up as untaxed and with no MOT on the DVLA website
even though i notified of the exportation in October 2024
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Re: Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: Freecall
Date: March 30, 2025, 2:24 am
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Do you have evidence of this? If so then you can probably sort
the whole thing out before court by writing to the DVLA.
DVLA cases are not prosecuted by the CPS as they conduct their
own prosecutions and if presented with appropriate evidence will
ask the court for the matter to be withdrawn.
If you can't do this in time (we don't know when your court date
is) then you will need to attend and speak with the DVLA
prosecutor on the day. You will probably find that in addition
to the lawyer actually in the courtroom they also have one in
the public waiting area conducting a 'triage' in order to
identify any defendants who have a valid defence.
Take along your evidence of sending the Section 11 of the V5 and
they should sort things out.
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Re: Motor vehicle not meeting insurance requirements
DIR By: PallasAthena
Date: March 30, 2025, 7:45 am
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--- Quote from: Georgia link ---
>
> I sent the section 11 of my V5 logbook to DVLA via post as
advised on the DVLA website. i did not SORN it before as i was
under the impression that i did not need to SORN the car if i
was permanently exporting it. i have applied to have the car
SORN now. my apologies if this was not clear in my original
post
>
> My car is now registered in my new country of residence and
has a full car insurance in the country is now registered.
however it still shows up as untaxed and with no MOT on the DVLA
website even though i notified of the exportation in October
2024
>
--- End Quote ---
I permanently exported a car last year and if DVLA have recorded
the vehicle as permanently exported you do not SORN it as well.
Section 11 of the V5C confirms date of permanent export and DVLA
will then send you a refund of tax from that date.
But that all depends on the DVLA having actually received the
s11 slip. It's not unknown for Royal Mail to lose stuff. So if
DVLA never got the s11 they will just assume you have an untaxed
car that you haven't SORN'd. When you use the DVLA vehicle
lookup
HTML https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dvla
look
at the 'Export marker' line. Does it say 'Yes' or 'No'? If Yes
then that confirms they have received your permanent export slip
(but it won't tell you when). If No then DVLA haven't received
it (or have but have lost it).
The car I permanently exported 4 months ago is still listed on
DVLA vehicle lookup with 'Export marker Yes' and shows as
Untaxed (and will soon show as no MOT as well). I assume DVLA
keep permanently exported cars on their vehicle lookup list for
a period of time.
Evidence of it now being insured in another country from date
xx/xx/xx will be helpful to show the DVLA prosecutor. If it's
been reregistered in the new country you may be able to use its
VIN to demonstrate its the same car - the VIN doesn't change on
exported cars.
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