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#Post#: 64688--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: Catpuss0336
Date: March 28, 2025, 2:52 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
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> AS Stamfordman says, please post the PCN unredacted (both
sides).
>
> Council photos are probably lurking on their website under
'Pay/Challenge my PCN' or somesuch.
>
> Looking at
HTML https://next.shropshire.gov.uk/parking/
>
>
> I couldn't find an obvious route to see their photos, so you
may need to contact them at
> "customer service centre on 0345 678 9019"
>
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Can I ask why do I need to see their pictures? I know where I
was parking & posting. If I am in the wrong I will just pay.
To note not receiving any email notifications on posts, just
having to randomly come back to check.
#Post#: 64690--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 28, 2025, 3:06 pm
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How do you know the CEO who served you with the PCN was right or
wrong ? We do ask to see the location and photos to assess this.
So many time over the decades since decriminalised enforcement
came in in 1991, have we soon blatant and gross errors by
councils, and their gaming the system to make money. Never,
ever, think that councils are benevolent organisations; they
aren't !
#Post#: 64691--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: Catpuss0336
Date: March 28, 2025, 3:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> How do you know the CEO who served you with the PCN was right
or wrong ? We do ask to see the location and photos to assess
this. So many time over the decades since decriminalised
enforcement came in in 1991, have we soon blatant and gross
errors by councils, and their gaming the system to make money.
Never, ever, think that councils are benevolent organisations;
they aren't !
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your reply only ever sorted out private car parks.
What do I need to do now?
Not my car but my blue badge.my mom is 81 & is panicking her car
she has just lost my Dad. Any suggestions?
#Post#: 64702--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: March 28, 2025, 6:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Catpuss0336 link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=5712.msg64690#msg64690
date=1743192365]
> How do you know the CEO who served you with the PCN was right
or wrong ? We do ask to see the location and photos to assess
this. So many time over the decades since decriminalised
enforcement came in in 1991, have we soon blatant and gross
errors by councils, and their gaming the system to make money.
Never, ever, think that councils are benevolent organisations;
they aren't !
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your reply only ever sorted out private car parks.
What do I need to do now?
Not my car but my blue badge.my mom is 81 & is panicking her car
she has just lost my Dad. Any suggestions?
[/quote]
You need to provide the information the other posters here are
asking for - so they can help you and your mum with the next
steps to challenge the PCN
The car registration number is on display every time you or your
mother drive it, and the local authority already know who the
registered keeper is. Nobody else here does and nobody else
here can find out as you are anonymous on this forum. Your mum
doesn't need to worry or panic about the car reg being revealed
here.
Ditto the pictures are crucial in determining exactly where the
car was parked in relation to the signage and in judging whether
the PCN correctly identifies the alleged contravention.
There should be no issue in revealing the car reg number or in
letting people see the council photos. (For which you need to
reveal the reg number and PCN number)
#Post#: 64710--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 29, 2025, 2:12 am
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OP, can we cut to the chase regarding the contravention and pl
amend for accuracy.
You parked within a Restricted Parking Zone with additional
loading restrictions both of which apply 24/7.
In practical terms this means that you may not wait at any point
because the BB does not afford an exemption where waiting and
loading restrictions apply.
The one photo shows the front 1/3 of your car beyond transverse
bay markings.
Therefore, if this was a single vehicle parking place these
markings represented its boundary and a considerable part of
your vehicle was in the restricted area, hence the PCN.
This has nothing to do with the bay as such, your breach was not
being wholly within and therefore in consequence within the
restricted zone by more than a de minimis degree.
The CEO therefore had the options not parked wholly within or
waiting etc. in a restricted street. The former is the lower
penalty whereas the latter is the higher.
As regards the zone sign, I've no idea what 'except in signed
bays' means. It's not a permitted variation or lower plate. A
RPZ controls only those lengths of street not otherwise
regulated either by their own markings e.g. controlled
crossings, bus stops, PARKING PLACES etc. or those where
statutory prohibitions apply e.g. dropped footways etc. The
lower plate is redundant, but whether to the degree that this
invalidates the zone itself?.. I wouldn't like to risk money on
this point alone.
At present as regards the contravention and(without scrutinising
the PCN in detail yet) you could argue:
De minimis - you tried to park wholly within the bay but can now
see that you did not succeed;
Penalty exceeded....circumstances of the case: should have used
the lower penalty in the circumstances. At least the authority
have to explain why they did not.
Exercise discretion.
Whether the argument of assisted alighting might apply, I don't
know because I don't know for how long you were parked and for
what purpose.
#Post#: 64725--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: Catpuss0336
Date: March 29, 2025, 5:55 am
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Thanks for your reply I think seems easier to pay. I have no
idea what a lower plate is, I had no idea that the loading bay
signage was even there, we were only parked there at my mom’s
insistence as she has parked there before we were there approx 1
hour. The box holds about 3/4 BB cars. I am unwell & blood
pressure through the roof not sure in the circumstances I should
add to this.
Thanks for your help.
#Post#: 64728--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: Catpuss0336
Date: March 29, 2025, 6:07 am
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Just for my curiosity why do the forum need the reg number,
colour & make why does that make a difference?
As much as I appreciate your comments you guys are a bit
intimidating. You all know the rules & terminology we don’t.
Thanks again just my feedback.
#Post#: 64743--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 29, 2025, 7:39 am
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The forum posters raise issues for discussion between us to try
and flesh out whether there's a defence, what the tactics might
be and how the OP might proceed.
The CEO's photos are evidence which would be presented at
adjudication and which are available to the authority when
considering your* representations. We should see this evidence
which sits on their website and all we need to access is the PCN
number and VRM.
*- you posted 'Not my car but my blue badge...'.
IMO, before going further, who is the registered keeper? This is
essential because a Notice to Owner would be sent to them, not
the driver.
#Post#: 64757--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received by Shropshire council whilst using blue badge
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: March 29, 2025, 9:40 am
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--- Quote from: Catpuss0336 link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=5712.msg64560#msg64560
date=1743125451]
> So why have you blanked out part of your picture ? The only
thing that must be redacted is your name and address on
documents. We certainly cannot help you at all if we don't even
know where you parked.
>
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It was just the map of the town, first time using site. I was
actually parked roughly in front of the blue car, ( but actually
that wasn’t there as this pic is street view)but from the
drivers side you couldn’t see the box.
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If the GSV posted above is correct location and your car was
parked in front of the blue car then it was obstructing a
dropped kerb.
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