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#Post#: 64535--------------------------------------------------
Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: Kez
Date: March 27, 2025, 4:57 pm
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Hello,
Recently started driving again and have been stung by the first
of potentially multiple PCNs heading my way. In the past, making
a sharp left-turn in this medium sized road (Essex Park) would
involve observing vehicles emerging from it; in addition to
focusing on incoming vehicles making a right turn.
My plea:
1. There are no advanced warning signs leading up to the left
turn.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/t8jMdKGUstJtEUXm9
2. The road narrows slightly which leads to higher focus on
emerging vehicles. It's difficult to see that the road is
restricted without seeing a warning sign on the right hand side
of Essex Park Road.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/KuYcP2LosCTwhft77
PCN:
HTML https://postimg.cc/FfJbJjFd
and
HTML https://postimg.cc/wRKNCkP5
HTML https://postimg.cc/GTbvNVFG
HTML https://postimg.cc/BLTxm4KJ
HTML https://postimg.cc/xqQGcJw8
I've sent an appeal email pleading for leniency while also
stating the above points.
I've found these two old threads that are semi-relevant:
HTML https://medium.com/@iamhomersimpson/moss-hall-school-street-consultation-respond-to-survey-by-thursday-17-october-7a3ad39b2612
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barnet-code-53j-entering-in-pedestrian-zone-nether-st-right-turn-into-moss-hall-/<br
/>(Different Road)
#Post#: 64544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 27, 2025, 6:35 pm
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And only one sign too ! I think you have a reasonable case; if
there had been two signs, one per side of the road entrance,
your case would be weaker. However this and no advance warning
sign makes a good case for taking them all the way to London
Tribunals.
I had a quick look on London Tribunals statutory register but
didn't find any appeals against the restriction, so you might be
the first one if you take them that far.
#Post#: 64545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: March 27, 2025, 6:36 pm
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If you have already cast the dice by making representations
there is nothing to do until they are rejected at which time you
might want to instruct me to be your representative as I am
local and know this location. I turned left into it last week,
on a Sunday so ok, and you can't make out a bloody thing on the
sign. My email is mrmustard@zoho.com
I have an earlier case in hand at this location.
#Post#: 64697--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: Kez
Date: March 28, 2025, 5:25 pm
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Thank you all.
I'm waiting for a response from Barnet regarding my first PCN.
Would I be mistaken in thinking I should focus on contesting the
first PCN only or should I be submitting an appeal for the
second PCN and any subsequent PCNs as well?
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> And only one sign too ! I think you have a reasonable case; if
there had been two signs, one per side of the road entrance,
your case would be weaker. However this and no advance warning
sign makes a good case for taking them all the way to London
Tribunals.
>
> I had a quick look on London Tribunals statutory register but
didn't find any appeals against the restriction, so you might be
the first one if you take them that far.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes. I wasn't sure if I had missed the earlier warning sign.
It's unclear whether this is now a permanent change or still
within an experimental stage
HTML https://www.engage.barnet.gov.uk/moss-hall-school
(2023 - 1
month survey)
HTML https://www.engage.barnet.gov.uk/moss-hall-federation-school-street<br
/>(2025)
--- Quote from: mrmustard link ---
>
> If you have already cast the dice by making representations
there is nothing to do until they are rejected at which time you
might want to instruct me to be your representative as I am
local and know this location. I turned left into it last week,
on a Sunday so ok, and you can't make out a bloody thing on the
sign. My email is mrmustard@zoho.com
>
> I have an earlier case in hand at this location.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks I appreciate it and the advice you have contributed to
other posters here. It's been informative to understand what's
going on.
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Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: March 29, 2025, 3:21 am
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I don't think you have shown us two PCNs or made it clear that
there are two.
Please post up the front page of the second pcn with only your
name and address covered.
My method which gives images that don't need to be clicked on is
to use
HTML https://imgbb.com/
, start uploading and set to 'don't
autodelete' and then after selecting the file from your computer
copy the 'full bb code' and paste it into FTLA which will show
the image to readers without any clicking.
You might want to go to the final photo of the first pcn on
which your name and address are showing and resumbit that with
the details blanked out.
#Post#: 69415--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: Kez
Date: April 30, 2025, 12:23 pm
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I didn't receive any email responses from Barnet so assumed that
the matter had quietly been dropped. It seems that I was wishful
in my thinking.
Today on the 30th April, I received a rejection of
representation letter dated 25th April 2025.
I can't tell whether there has been a new sign placed up since
March.
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Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: April 30, 2025, 12:26 pm
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Any sign that wasn't there on the day in question is irrelevant.
As always we need to see the rejection letter, all pages, with
only your name and address hidden.
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Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: Kez
Date: April 30, 2025, 12:33 pm
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Would it be OK for me to email you the documents?
Should I continue to omit the details as well within email?
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Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: April 30, 2025, 12:39 pm
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If you want but you get more points of view if you put it on
here and it is possible for me to miss things.
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Re: Barnet - 53J (Moss Hall, School Street) - Nether Street into
Essex Park Road
DIR By: Kez
Date: April 30, 2025, 12:48 pm
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I've sent an email. I'll setup an imgBB account.
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