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#Post#: 64153--------------------------------------------------
Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing wrong
way
DIR By: sam999
Date: March 25, 2025, 7:17 pm
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I parked here in the dark, did a quick scan of the area and
couldn't see any signage, I've seen vehicles there a few times
too so I was satisfied it was permitted.
Reviewing the PCN images shows a single no loading at any time
sign which is not only facing the wrong direction and wrong
side, but placed in such a way the driver would never see it on
entry or exit to the area.
See images below, note the tree in the street view image which
would help to imply not to park there has now been removed.
Please advise if there is a good case for reps on the signage?
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#Post#: 64177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 26, 2025, 5:07 am
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Please post a GSV link to the location, and tell us exactly
where you were parked. A restriction sign on the opposite side
of a street only applies to the side it is located. I also see
no kerb 'blips' on your photos, which are mandatory if a loading
restriction is applied.
#Post#: 64221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: sam999
Date: March 26, 2025, 8:55 am
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I can't, Google didn't even survey the road past that area for
some reason which is why I had to use Bing street view instead
for the image.
I am parked in the top right corner by the black door as you can
sort of see from the small council image, if you mean the two
short yellow lines marked vertically all along the area, no
there aren't any.
This is the bing view link
HTML https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=53.383321%7E-1.462649&lvl=21.9&pi=-9.7&style=x&dir=256.5
Thanks
#Post#: 64249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: catnip
Date: March 26, 2025, 11:32 am
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--- Quote from: sam999 link ---
>
> I can't, Google didn't even survey the road past that area for
some reason which is why I had to use Bing street view instead
for the image.
> I am parked in the top right corner by the black door as you
can sort of see from the small council image, if you mean the
two short yellow lines marked vertically all along the area, no
there aren't any.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's the no-loading blips on the kerb.
I think it's a simple case that you parked on the pavement,
albeit a wide area, but still covered by the parking/loading
restriction of the nearby road.
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#Post#: 64269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 26, 2025, 12:59 pm
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Except how can the DYLs and kerb blips apply to the area on the
other side of the low wall ? Surely there should be another sign
banning footway parking ? An interesting case about signage and
what it covers.
#Post#: 64277--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: March 26, 2025, 1:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Except how can the DYLs and kerb blips apply to the area on
the other side of the low wall ? Surely there should be another
sign banning footway parking ? An interesting case about signage
and what it covers.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yellow lines ban footway parking right up to the property
boundary. There's no exemption for low walls, fences, plant
pots, bollards, armco barriers or the like. You could park in
some ludicrous locations if there was.
#Post#: 64543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: sam999
Date: March 27, 2025, 6:35 pm
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Thanks for replies but still unsure where to go with this at the
moment, can anyone definitively confirm if this signage is in
breach of regs?
#Post#: 64546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 27, 2025, 6:41 pm
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--- Quote from: sam999 link ---
>
> Thanks for replies but still unsure where to go with this at
the moment, can anyone definitively confirm if this signage is
in breach of regs?
>
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The sign is not in breach of regs, the argument is whether it
applies to where you parked. It applies to the carriageway up to
the low wall most definitely. I think the wide paved area is
doubtfull, but as you can see Grant Urismo disagrees. You'd
only get that tested at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal with the
full PCN penalty in play.
#Post#: 64628--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: sam999
Date: March 28, 2025, 8:59 am
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By breach of regs I meant more that the council is applying them
creatively in the context of that sign.
I'd be grateful if a few more veterans could chip in since at
the moment there is 1 yes and 1 no regarding whether it applies
to where the vehicle was parked
Thanks
#Post#: 64685--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shude hill PCN Sheffield, signage the wrong side facing
wrong way
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 28, 2025, 2:38 pm
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You were either trespassing, because it's not land over which
the public has a right to pass, or you were within the scope of
the waiting restriction, because it's part of the road.
We're not concerned with the former.
So, would an adjudicator find that this land is part of a road?
Frankly, with no current or historical evidence (in particular
GSV) who knows?
My view is that it would be considered to be part of the road.
You could request the council-with their Highway Authority hat
on- to provide you with a copy of the highway terrier for the
location as this would at least establish whether they maintain
the area.
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