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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 25, 2025, 5:58 am
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There are some adjudicators who won't consider the box
non-compliant including you know who.
Andrew Harman has upheld at least five appeals for
non-compliance for this box.
It is this lack of consistency that gives the tribunal a bad
name as appeals which have solid grounds become a lottery.
That said most of the many appeals here are only on the
contravention, and Kingston also doesn't contest a lot.
Some adjudicators will also look at grounds that aren't even in
the appeal if they see something obvious/from before.
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Case reference 2240580483
Appellant Arunachalam vinayagaraj
Authority Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames
VRM DN16HRL
PCN Details
PCN QT09983195
Contravention date 29 Oct 2024
Contravention time 20:36:00
Contravention location Kingston Road
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date -
Decision Date 24 Mar 2025
Adjudicator Michael Burke
Appeal decision Appeal refused
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid
within 28 days.
Reasons The allegation in this case is entering and stopping in
a box junction when prohibited. The Appellant does not dispute
this. He states that the vehicle ahead indicated right very late
and he entered the box junction to avoid a collision. He also
asserts that the particular box junction is non-compliant in
that it is too long. He has provided plans and photograph as
supporting evidence.
I have considered the Appellant’s evidence together with the
enforcement camera evidence and I am satisfied the box junction
was substantially compliant.
I have considered the enforcement camera evidence on the
Enforcement Authority's website and I am satisfied it shows a
clear example of the contravention. The Appellant entered the
box junction when the traffic ahead was slowing to a halt and it
was plain he would not be able to clear the box junction without
stopping. He appears to have realised this and stopped but by
then it was too late as most of his vehicle was already in the
box junction. The contravention occurs if any part of the
vehicle has to stop in the box junction.
Having considered all the evidence I am satisfied that the
contravention occurred and that the PCN was properly issued and
served. I am not satisfied that any exemption applies.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 25, 2025, 6:08 am
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The skill lies also in what day to choose for the hearing. ;)
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 25, 2025, 10:20 am
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;D Length of the box. Decision tomorrow.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 27, 2025, 2:18 pm
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Outcome
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 2:55 pm
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A very pleasant experience. A proper discussion. There is also
an issue with their PCN - for another day.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 27, 2025, 10:27 am
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Update! They have reduced it. Was there today. FOIR and
complaint sent re the plan.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 31, 2025, 8:20 am
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Further update
While preparing for my Radio Jackie interview on 4th September,
I noticed that in Section J they provided full details of
someone else's PCN including name and address.
Macey Briggs is responsible.
These people are paid to do a job and hold powerful positions in
that they make people pay. This person should apologise, resign
or move on to another outfit like a failed football manager.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 31, 2025, 8:21 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Wile preparing for my Radio Jackie interview on 4th September,
I noticed that in Section J they provided full details of
someone else's PCN including name and address.
>
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This happens a lot, I normally contact the other person, explain
what's happened, and offer to represent them as well.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 31, 2025, 8:25 am
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I will personally drive there and do the same. 8) Be nice to
see the Fairfield Halls again - best acoustics in the country.
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Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 1, 2025, 2:16 am
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More Kingston incompetence.
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