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#Post#: 63888--------------------------------------------------
ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton Country
Park, Cambridge
DIR By: miltonparkingeye
Date: March 23, 2025, 5:17 pm
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Hi,
Received a PCN from Parkingeye. I am registered keeper, driver
not me.
ANPR shows 2hours 14 minutes between entrance (14:48:31) and
exit (17:02:34).
Driver (not me) paid for 2 hours parking at 14:56 (timestamp
from Google Wallet). One machine was broken + queue.
Am I correct in thinking first appeal should be based off the
exit time being within minimum 10 minutes consideration period
under BPA Code of Practice? 14:56 + 2h10m = 17:06.
Thank you!
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#Post#: 63971--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 24, 2025, 3:07 pm
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The grace period is probably 10 minutes, therefore the paid
parking plus grace period is 4 minutes short of the duration of
parking. Consideration period is separate, it's time to consider
the contract, paying for parking is considered to accept the
contract terms so the consideration period is not relevant in
this case.
#Post#: 63976--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: miltonparkingeye
Date: March 24, 2025, 3:32 pm
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My mistake, I should've written grace period not consideration.
Does paid parking period start from time of entrance or time of
payment?
#Post#: 63982--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 24, 2025, 4:15 pm
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Time of entry, otherwise what's to stop a motorist paying just
before they leave? That said there's often debate about what
constitutes parking, does looking for a space count as parking?
Either way the camera operated car parks will start the clock
when you enter and finish when you leave.
#Post#: 63985--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: miltonparkingeye
Date: March 24, 2025, 4:28 pm
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On the day it took a while to park and get a ticket.
The receipt prints a time, which reasonably could be expected as
the time the parking period starts from (below).
Driver was also accompanied by 2 kids 2 and under and so took a
while to get into the car and going.
I've appealed as today was last day with discounted penalty.
If the appeal is rejected by ParkingEye, what's the likelihood
of POPLA accepting the parking time + grace period / extended
period with kids argument?
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#Post#: 63992--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: b789
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:04 pm
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No idea what you may have blabbed in your appeal to try and keep
the "mugs discount" but if you have revealed the drivers
identity, you may have wasted the best opportunity to get this
cancelled. Did you reveal the drivers identity, inadvertently or
otherwise?
The land in question, Milton Country Park, 'may' be land under
statutory control (Byelaws) and therefore not relevant land for
the purposes of PoFA. It is not fully clear and you would have
to do a little bit of digging to clarify.
A 2002/2003 document titled "Fishing at Milton Country Park:
Information for Anglers
HTML https://scambs.moderngov.co.uk/Data/Milton%20Country%20Park%20Advisory%20Group/20020521/Agenda/$Item%2005%20-%20Fishing%20-%20Appendix%204.doc.pdf"<br
/>states:​
[indent]"All Country Park byelaws must be adhered to." [/indent]
Additionally, minutes from a 2005 Milton Country Park Advisory
Group meeting
HTML https://scambs.moderngov.co.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=404&MID=2804&utm_source=chatgpt.com<br
/>indicate discussions about enforcing dog-related
byelaws:​
[indent]"AGREED that advice be sought from the new Head of Legal
Services when in post on his views of prosecuting offenders of
the dog byelaws in the Park." ​[/indent]
These references imply the existence of byelaws governing
activities within the park. However, the current status and
specifics of these byelaws are not detailed in the available
sources.​
Implications for Parking Enforcement:
If byelaws are in effect at Milton Country Park, the land would
be considered under statutory control. This designation affects
the applicability of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
regarding parking enforcement. Specifically, PoFA's provisions
for holding vehicle keepers liable for unpaid parking charges on
"relevant land" would not apply if the land is governed by
statutory byelaws.​
I recommend that you try and ascertain the current applicability
of byelaws and if there are any currently enacted byelaws on
parking enforcement.
Contact the Park Management: Get in touch with Cambridge Sport
Lakes Trust
HTML https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/privacy-policy?utm_source=chatgpt.com,<br
/>the charity managing Milton Country Park, for information on
any
existing byelaws. They can be contacted via email at
mcp@cambridgesportlakes.org.uk or by phone at 01223 420060.
Consult the Local Authority. South Cambridgeshire District
Council is worthwhile to inquire about any byelaws enacted for
the park.​ Clarifying the existence and scope of byelaws
will provide a definitive insight into the statutory status of
Milton Country Park and inform the appropriate approach to
parking enforcement under current legislation.​
#Post#: 63993--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:07 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> Contact the Park Management: Get in touch with Cambridge Sport
Lakes Trust
HTML https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/privacy-policy?utm_source=chatgpt.com,<br
/>the charity managing Milton Country Park, for information on
any
existing byelaws. They can be contacted via email at
mcp@cambridgesportlakes.org.uk or by phone at 01223 420060.
>
--- End Quote ---
When doing so, I wouldn't mention that you have received a PCN.
#Post#: 63995--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: miltonparkingeye
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:08 pm
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Thanks for the advice.
I haven't identified the driver.
I've emailed the country park. Will follow up with further
emails to the council as suggested.
Thanks again.
#Post#: 63996--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: miltonparkingeye
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:09 pm
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Hmm too late....
#Post#: 63998--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye PCN - Overstay within grace period - Milton
Country Park, Cambridge
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: miltonparkingeye link ---
>
> Hmm too late....
>
--- End Quote ---
What did you say?
The reason I suggested avoiding mention of a PCN is that if it
is obvious that you're asking about byelaws in order to get out
of paying a parking charge (when they are the ones who have
brought in said parking company), they may be less likely to
provide you the information you are looking for.
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