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penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: sugden
Date: March 20, 2025, 2:05 pm
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Hello,
I have attached the notice received from Nottingham City
Council.
Its unclear to me, because there aren't any signs that say this
area is a bus lane. Granted theres a no motor vehicles except
permit holders, buses, and loading by HGVs.
I am not from Nottingham, didn't see the sign as I was turning
left and pretty quickly realised my mistake and turned around.
Is there any chance I can escape this? It was a genuine mistake
and didn't really hurt anyone.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 20, 2025, 2:48 pm
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Please post a GSV link to the location, and a copy of the video.
Please also give us the PCN number and Reg Mark - see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: sugden
Date: March 20, 2025, 5:26 pm
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Please accept my apologies:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/kmXsZj2dypao6qeD6?g_st=ac
NG46093444
CA12 UOD
HTML https://imgur.com/9nRUdJV
FWIW I have dashcam footage too, but not sure how relevant it
really is.
I have attached a copy of the video. Please let me know if this
is ok.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 20, 2025, 6:26 pm
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I have to say I have my suspicions that they can serve a PCN for
a bus lane contravention under the TMA 2004, when the sign is a
"Flying Motorbike" sign. Nottingham have previous form with
this sort of thing. However, it is just my suspicion and I hope
others will confirm or deny this soon. It's my understanding
that powers in the TMA to allow councils to enforce moving
traffic offences were bing rolled out, but this was recently
suspended.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 21, 2025, 5:19 am
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Let's see the video and dashcam footage please.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 21, 2025, 6:44 am
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member] the answer to your query is
found in Oxfordshire County Council, R (on the application of) v
The Bus Lane Adjudicator [2010] EWHC 894 (Admin)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mNVj6Ot_5htvFuxDu6SpIz0vkqQTz9XQ/view,<br
/>the short version is that they can use diagram 619 to enforce
a
bus lane.
As above, let's see the dashcam footage please.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: sugden
Date: March 21, 2025, 1:39 pm
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/6Afp9Rz
- dashcam footage. At the end where
it cuts out I just do a U turn.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 21, 2025, 5:45 pm
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I have requested the traffic order as well as the CCTV camera
make and model, but obviously in the meantime we need to make
representations. The most obvious basis I can see is that really
the PCN should have been issued for contravention of the no-left
turn prohibition, as that is what the signage provides for your
direction of travel.
I also think the dashcam footage can be used to get a failure to
consider, see the decisions on rows 170 to 177 here
HTML https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pVrE76_RYY6bNmEpYGbsZkxtpfIeud_BT3SKfg7TzQM/edit?gid=642784037#gid=642784037&range=A170.
If you want to go down this route it would probably be easier if
I submitted the representations on your behalf.
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: sugden
Date: March 22, 2025, 2:12 pm
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That would be great if you're happy to do that! Let me know what
details I need to send
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Re: penalty charge notice- bus lane violation
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 22, 2025, 2:34 pm
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I've sent you a PM.
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