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#Post#: 63192--------------------------------------------------
Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone, Broadwater
Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 19, 2025, 5:36 am
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Hi everyone,
My partner drove through a couple restricted zones, we made
representations to the original PCNs. She replied in her name
initially which they rejected, as it’s my name on the vehicle,
once I replied in my name we didn't receive a reply. We
continued to attempt to correspond via letter and it has now
escalated to the charge certificate/order for recovery stage. We
received 2 PCNs a few months back now and can't find them
anymore.
Original issue date was 07/11/2024 for the PCNs and it looks
like a few posts here from the same council around the same time
all had issues with the PCNs which make them unenforceable.
We had offered to pay only one of the charges as both
contraventions occurred within moments of each other but now I'm
at a stage where I don't want to be mugged off by them and would
rather tell them where to go.
I will be looking to get the PE3 form signed and witnessed in
front of a local solicitor, with option 2 selected. Is it
possible to get the process rolled back to the PCN stage again
where I can make proper representations against it?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/fQBCyfh
(Apologies, couldn't figure out the BB Code stuff)
Thanks for all that you do and looking forward to hearing back
from you soon.
"Edited to correct PE2 to PE3"
#Post#: 63196--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 19, 2025, 5:51 am
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/iXDckyi.png
Please post remaining pages of the CC.
Have you read through
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/
It looks as if you need PE3 rather than PE2. Others, more expert
than myself, will confirm.
Please give us a timeline for each PCN and the subsequent
correspondence, and post up copies of the reps, the 1st
rejections, and of the new reps. Have you received a CC for the
other PCN?
Did you combine the reps for both PCN into one rep?
As I see it, you need to establish you can truthfully say that
as RK you received no NoR of reps submitted in time.
What is the online staus/history of each PCN on Haringey's
website?
#Post#: 63200--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 19, 2025, 6:12 am
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Thanks for the reply.
I have added the PCN overviews & the rejections to the linked
IMGUR page. I am currently at work but will have a rummage
around to find any additional requested information. Incl the
back of the CCs.
She replied to them separately initially, which is why we
received 2 letters back rejecting them. I then replied to both
with one letter.
As you can see on the rejections, the wording makes it sounds
like a letter has to be sent and therefore we don't have a copy
of what we sent to them.
However, I do have a receipt from where I sent my reply back to
these rejections. This is also represented on their timeline
which is also in the IMGUR files.
Yes, I only attached one of them but we did receive a CC for the
other PCN as well.
I will speak to my partner later to get a good overview of the
timeline and subsequent correspondence.
#Post#: 63202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 19, 2025, 6:26 am
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Next step seems to be:
Fill in the forms they sent me, tick box 2 and leave the reasons
box blank for both. Sign them in the presence of a solicitor,
scan them and email them separately to tec@justice.gov.uk with
the PCN number for each one in the subject line of the email.
Will start the ball rolling on this if/when advised to do so.
#Post#: 63210--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 19, 2025, 6:57 am
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--- Quote ---
> I have added the PCN overviews & the rejections to the linked
IMGUR page.
> . . .
> This is also represented on their timeline which is also in
the IMGUR files
--- End Quote ---
I can only see the original CC 1st page at your link :(
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Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 19, 2025, 8:51 am
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Oh, very strange. It should be a collection of 7 images...
Let's see if this works
HTML https://i.imgur.com/iXDckyi.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/i3bvDcA.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/WphRVVs.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/7mdH6aW.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/dDTaoRi.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/1GkqhDn.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/VjBAdm5.png
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Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 19, 2025, 11:24 am
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--- Quote ---
> . I then replied to both with one letter.
>
> As you can see on the rejections, the wording makes it sounds
like a letter has to be sent and therefore we don't have a copy
of what we sent to them.
--- End Quote ---
It is a pity you did not get a free certificate of posting when
you bought the stamps. However . . .
Is the Council timeline for the other PCN identical? please post
it.
Would your computer somewhere have a draft of the letter you
wrote ands posted on 23rd Jan?
If not, please try and reconstruct it to the best of your
memory.
It looks as if the Council received/issued something on 5th Feb
- anymore thoughts on this?
#Post#: 63271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 19, 2025, 12:03 pm
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They are identical yes.
I can say that the general gist of what was sent is that
liability was accepted for one of the charges but we felt it was
over the top to charge twice for two contraventions in quick
succession.
I realise now this has probably caused me problems so I am
hoping that we can at least change our approach from accepting
liability for one, to trying to prove the PCNs weren't
constructed in a way that is enforceable.
The timeline is:
PCNs arrive, partner replies, they get back and say she can't
reply, I reply with the rough message of above. No response.
Charge Certs come through, nothing sent from us (we were still
waiting for a reply to our prior letter), and then order for
recovery came through a couple days ago for both.
Here are both of them:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Xgh0sME.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zPL2BS9.png
#Post#: 63337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 20, 2025, 4:25 am
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Just jumping back in here as I wanted to make sure that I'm
doing the right thing by taking these actions ASAP mentioned in
my reply here:
--- Quote from: Harken link ---
>
> Next step seems to be:
>
> Fill in the forms they sent me, tick box 2 and leave the
reasons box blank for both. Sign them in the presence of a
solicitor, scan them and email them separately to
tec@justice.gov.uk with the PCN number for each one in the
subject line of the email.
>
> Will start the ball rolling on this if/when advised to do so.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 63443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey - 52(M) driving through a restricted zone,
Broadwater Road & The Avenue N17
DIR By: Harken
Date: March 20, 2025, 9:30 am
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It looks as if the Council received/issued something on 5th Feb
- anymore thoughts on this?
[/quote]
We didn't receive any other correspondence and neither did we
send anything. The only thing that was sent on the 5th were the
CCs.
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