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#Post#: 5490--------------------------------------------------
Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC Headrow
Northbound
DIR By: annonomite
Date: September 19, 2023, 1:26 pm
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Hi all,
Like a few other members I've been caught out by the new bus
lanes and extensive road/building work confusion in Leeds City
Centre and driving late at night accidently drove through a bus
lane (I had no idea I had until receiving the notice!).
I'm aware there are several ways this can be contested,
procedural impropriety being one. Can anyone guide me on the
best response and any further steps?
Please see all evidence and PCN at the following link:
HTML https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ai4Uwj1gd1LApnrLNlmO8oFDM7gl?e=Kil7Ff
Thanks in advance
#Post#: 5576--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 20, 2023, 4:10 pm
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While there is some scope for a technical challenge, in the
first instance are you able to pop back and get us some photos
of the signage?
#Post#: 6053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: annonomite
Date: September 25, 2023, 3:14 pm
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Thanks cp, I've gone back to take some, please see link
HTML https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ai4Uwj1gd1LApnrLNlmO8oFDM7gl?e=Kil7Ff
#Post#: 6055--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 25, 2023, 3:53 pm
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Well, I've looked all round, and here is the junction of the
Headrow with East Parade, where the PCN claims the contravention
occurred, and the photos look nothing like the GSV view at all.
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7995093,-1.549065,3a,75y,356.5h,86.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-6oNJ9sJWkp9Kc26-2Chw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu
On the other hand, the junction of East Parade and South Parade
is obviously the location, albeit GSV last view is July 2021: -
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7990628,-1.5491058,3a,90y,25.46h,86.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2RPlF9dMEr8U3EkIScqbIg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu
So it seems to me that with a totally incorrect location on the
PCN, it is void.
#Post#: 6159--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 26, 2023, 4:14 pm
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In the circumstances I'd make a very simple representation:
[indent]
Dear Leeds City Council,
The alleged contravention did not occur, please cancel the PCN.
Yours faithfully,
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#Post#: 6186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: Al
Date: September 26, 2023, 6:32 pm
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I'm not familiar with Leeds or your occurrence but looking at
maps I see Foley Tap House
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/Foleys+Tap+House/@53.799466,-1.5495082,19z/data=!3m2!4b1!5s0x48795c1db0f66063:0xaf83ce0d68d8234c!4m6!3m5!1s0x48795c1db06a8aa9:0xc0c2b6562b106032!8m2!3d53.799466!4d-1.5488631!16s%2Fg%2F1tf30xy4?authuser=0&entry=ttu<br
/>(in your pictures) on the corner of E Parade and The Headrow
which would mean the location could be correct
#Post#: 6216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: annonomite
Date: September 27, 2023, 7:30 am
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Thanks for the responses.
As you allude to incandescent it looks like the incorrect
location. Searching the particular bus gate, I can only find
references made to the East and South Parade junction "The new
24-hour bus gate on East Parade (where its junction meets South
Parade) comes into effect from 5am Monday 19 June."
HTML https://shorturl.at/cdpsG
cp - thanks for the representation. Will they likely accept the
response and cancel the PCN do you think? And I'm assuming from
your suggested wording it's not beneficial to provide any
description of the location error in the response?
#Post#: 6319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 28, 2023, 4:40 pm
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--- Quote from: annonomite link ---
>
> cp - thanks for the representation. Will they likely accept
the response and cancel the PCN do you think? And I'm assuming
from your suggested wording it's not beneficial to provide any
description of the location error in the response?
>
--- End Quote ---
Realistically I don't think Leeds will cancel regardless of what
you say. They will issue a notice of rejection, then we can help
you appeal to the tribunal and I suspect they won't contest the
appeal. Most councils adopt this strategy because while it takes
them a lot of time and effort to contest a tribunal case (which
more often than not they'll lose anyway), sending a templated
notice of rejection is cheap and easy and they know most people
will give up at that point.
I'll be happy to represent you at the tribunal if you do get a
rejection.
#Post#: 6335--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: annonomite
Date: September 29, 2023, 2:22 am
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Appreciate that cp. I've appealed as per your wording above and
will update on the outcome. Many thanks
#Post#: 8736--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leeds Bus Lane Contravention - Bus Gate, East Parade JNC
Headrow Northbound
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 30, 2023, 8:33 am
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Just to wrap this up, we appealed to the tribunal and the
council immediately DNC'ed the case.
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