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#Post#: 63670--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 21, 2025, 2:40 pm
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> Here are the links to the back of the PCN. Thank you.
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Sorry, but it doesn't look complete. The statutory grounds
surely go onto another page ? At the moment we can only see Page
2 but there is page 3 & 4.
#Post#: 63671--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: Collateral
Date: March 21, 2025, 2:44 pm
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Sorry. This is 3 of 4.
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Page 4 : but this is blank
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#Post#: 63683--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 21, 2025, 6:28 pm
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Ok.So the PCN looks compliant to me. I'm not sure what else you
might submit reps on, maybe ask for the second PCN to be
cancelled as you were lost and it is a disproportionate penalty
for a simple mistake.
Certainly I think that whilst there is little so far to submit
reps on, it is always worthwhile to submit them, even if on the
basis of "please take pity on me, a stranger to your city who
got lost".
#Post#: 63685--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: Collateral
Date: March 21, 2025, 9:18 pm
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Sorry for my if ignorance. What is reps and how do I submit
them.
#Post#: 63694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 22, 2025, 5:43 am
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IMO, the '28-day period' has been misstated.
This occurs in 2 stages. The first is clearly mandatory, the
second less prescribed but arguably of equal weight.
The first reference is on page 1 and is the warning regarding
the implications of neither making representations[in accordance
with reg 5 of the Appeals regs] nor paying the penalty within
the 28-day period:
(f)that if after the last day of the period referred to in
sub-paragraph (d)—
(i)no representations have been made in accordance with
regulation 5 of the 2022 Appeals Regulations, and
(ii)the penalty charge has not been paid,
the enforcement authority may increase the penalty charge by the
amount of any applicable surcharge and take steps to enforce
payment of the charge as so increased,
(d) that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28
days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention
occurred,
The regs don't prescribe form of language to be used to convey
(f)(i) and in this case the authority have chosen:
'..representations which are made after the end of this 28 day
period['within 28 days of the date on which this notice was
served'] may be disregarded.'
And IMO it's wrong.
There's only one '28-day period' and it's 28 days beginning on
the day of service, not within 28 days because the latter adds a
day which in this case could leave the keeper exposed because
they'd risk becoming liable to a surcharge penalty.
Some thoughts for discussion or destined for the long grass!
#Post#: 63756--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 22, 2025, 3:39 pm
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reps = representations. It does save us regulars a lot of key
strokes !
#Post#: 63829--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: Collateral
Date: March 23, 2025, 11:54 am
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Thank you for the responses. So what should i do please?
#Post#: 63845--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 23, 2025, 12:49 pm
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> Thank you for the responses. So what should i do please?
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Submit informal reps on the lines I indicated, ask for the
second PCN to be cancelled. No point in coughing-up until
they've refused your reps, and in refusing, may shoot themselves
in the foot and give you an appeal argument.
#Post#: 63893--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: Collateral
Date: March 23, 2025, 7:08 pm
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So when i log on to check the tickets :
i see the grounds of appeal as:
Any other ground
General Representation
I was not the owner of the vehicle
Procedural impropriety
The contravention did not occur
The order was invalid
The pcn has been paid
The penalty charge exceeded the amount
The vehicle was taken without my consent
We are a hire firm
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Any other ground
General Representation
Procedural impropriety
The order was invalid
I see the above the options i could chose from? which one should
i choose.
Also i am unsure of how to word what you have wrote as i dont
really understand it. Amo just copying and pasting it. one date
is on the 24/02, and the other 21/02. have i not exceeded the 28
days now.
#Post#: 63897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston,
lancashire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 23, 2025, 7:48 pm
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Just submit reps asap, on the lines that you are a complete
stranger to Preston and managed to get lost whilst trying to
<insert reason for being there>. Just say that you accept you
passed two separate signs, but would ask for the second PCN to
be cancelled, as it is a disproportionate penalty for what is,
essentially, a single contravenention, namely driving along the
whole length of Corporation Street during late evening.
If they decide you're over the limit for submitting reps,
they'll tell you.
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