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#Post#: 5458--------------------------------------------------
PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 19, 2023, 6:18 am
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I drove down college road during operational hours.
I didn't submit representations within the 14 days, so now its
£130
What the camera doesn't show is that there was a large van
parked behind the white van which obscured the sign. Also the
sign on the road leading into this street was missing.
I don't have my original appeal and I cant get it from the Brent
website.
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Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 19, 2023, 6:19 am
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And the notice of rejection from Brent.
I have redacted all personal information but can supply if
required.
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Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 20, 2023, 3:18 pm
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We need the PCN number and the number plate.
#Post#: 5709--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 21, 2023, 4:03 pm
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BT19641619
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#Post#: 5801--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 22, 2023, 12:18 pm
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOCW4rQ0PY
They reoffered the discount but you've missed it again, so at
this point you might as well appeal.
As a starting point, please recreate your representation from
memory as best you can.
The TMO is The Brent (Prescribed Routes) (Pedestrian & Cycle
Zone) (No. 5) Traffic Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1AK4NuapC4T25RPoQ24Zd-u-aXIVA9b-3<br
/>and it has a general exemption for access, so if you were
visiting anyone on that road who has off-street parking it's a
straightforward case.
#Post#: 5808--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 22, 2023, 1:15 pm
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From memory, I challenged them on date ie you have 14 days from
the date of the notice, when I believe it should have been 14
days from the date of service.
I also told them about missing signage in Carlton Avenue East.
Cant remember anything else
What I cannot understand is why one has no access to the
informal representations made.
One thing: If I still had the option of the discount, would you
recommend paying it at the discounted rate?
#Post#: 5876--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 23, 2023, 7:31 am
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--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> What I cannot understand is why one has no access to the
informal representations made.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's a moving traffic case so there are only formal
representations, there is no informal stage. As they're your
representations, one could say that it's up to you to retain a
copy for your own records, that being said most authorities will
provide a copy if you ask (but doing so does not pause any
timelines).
--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> One thing: If I still had the option of the discount, would
you recommend paying it at the discounted rate?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, I can't say that there is anything I can see that would
warrant risking the full amount and I infer that the access
provision is not relevant or else you would have said so by now.
That being said, the penalty can't go up if you appeal so I
suppose you might as well put your case to the adjudicator. I'm
just not sure what you'd base your appeal on at present, but
there's nothing to stop you simply putting the authority to
proof.
#Post#: 6233--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 27, 2023, 11:35 am
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How about this as an appeal to the adjudicator:
[quote=]I am appealing against this PCN on the basis that
signage was missing in one street and obscured in another.
The signage in Carlton Avenue East was missing for several weeks
before being replaced by Brent Council. The signage in College
Road can and most likely was obscured by a parked van.
There is only one sign on the left of College Road to inform
people of the restriction. The camera which recorded the
contravention is mounted high up and does not give a view from
the drivers perspective.
As such a large vehicle parked near the sign obscures it from
the driver.
It is my opinion that there should be two signs both in Carlton
Avenue and College Road to convey the restriction.
I further challenge the PCN on the basis that the fact that both
the 14 day period and the 28 day period start from the date of
the notice and not from the date of service, in fact only allows
me 12 days and 26 days respectively to make representations
and/or pay the PCN.
I therefore consider the PCN to be invalid and ask that it
should be cancelled. [/quote]
I need to have this in before the end of tonight as I'm going on
holiday tomorrow early morning.
#Post#: 6393--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 29, 2023, 5:14 pm
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Sorry I've only just seen this, did you submit your appeal?
#Post#: 6404--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Brent School street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 30, 2023, 5:24 am
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Korting, you have until 2nd October to submit the appeal. If
you haven't done so already, I suggest you contact cp or me to
do it asap and if you are unable to do so.
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