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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 1, 2025, 6:14 pm
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--- Quote from: mairajbhaii link ---
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> [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=5448.msg65295#msg65295
date=1743547251]
> Did you send the letter of authority from the Director of the
company together with the representation?
>
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No, not with representation earlier, i got the letter later on
from the director
[/quote]
So reply by sending them the letter.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: April 6, 2025, 6:07 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Im sending this alongwith authority letter to the return
address, please see if this serves the purpose.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 8, 2025, 12:59 pm
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKJUgqD-FFA
The contravention is made out, here's a draft that's much more
to the point:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Hillingdon,
I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty fails to
unambiguously state the matters that must be stated on the
notice, specifically the notice fails to convey the effect of
paragraph 5 of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and
Transport for London Act 2003 as it provides at best information
that is ambiguous. This is because there is no unequivocal
indication of whether the penalty may increase to £195 after 28
days from the date of the notice, or 28 days from the date of
service of the notice.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this online rather than by post, just make sure to upload
the letter of authority when you are asked if you have any
documents to upload.
Make sure to take a timed / dated screenshot of the confirmation
page.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: April 8, 2025, 9:01 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Video:
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKJUgqD-FFA
>
> The contravention is made out, here's a draft that's much more
to the point:
>
> [indent]
> Dear London Borough of Hillingdon,
>
> I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty fails to
unambiguously state the matters that must be stated on the
notice, specifically the notice fails to convey the effect of
paragraph 5 of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and
Transport for London Act 2003 as it provides at best information
that is ambiguous. This is because there is no unequivocal
indication of whether the penalty may increase to £195 after 28
days from the date of the notice, or 28 days from the date of
service of the notice.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
> Send this online rather than by post, just make sure to upload
the letter of authority when you are asked if you have any
documents to upload.
>
> Make sure to take a timed / dated screenshot of the
confirmation page.
>
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Hi,
I have appealed this trhu online pcn challenge and attached the
authority letter as well.
find attached the screenshot of confirmation page.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: May 5, 2025, 2:18 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Find attached the response from council.
Now what do I do to this .....????
How can they deny eveyrthing all reponses so far.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 5, 2025, 3:37 pm
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There is a simple process to revert the matter to the stage
where you submitted representations.
While they try to intimidate you by saying they can register the
debt at "the county court" and instruct bailiffs, the plain fact
is that the "county court" is the Traffic Enforcement Centre, a
special civil court with no court rooms and no judges. There is
no possibility whatever of a CCJ, because the legal process was
written to make sure these can never be issued.
Once the PCN debt is registered, they MUST send you an Order for
Recovery. This adds £10 onto the Charge Certificate amount,
being the TEC registration fee. They will include the form for
submitting a Statutory Declaration that you submitted reps but
received no letter of rejection.
Of course, you can phone the authority to tell them you have
their acceptance response to your representations, and h have
received no response. It's possible they may tell you they have
responded, and give you the date of it. If so, this means, if
they won't cancel the CC, that you must wait for the Order for
Recovery as above. This could be weeks away. So once the period
to pay the CC expires, check with TEC about every 10-14 days to
see if the debt is registered. You may also be able to find out
from the council website, as once they register the debt, the
amount shown increases by £10. You don't have to wait for the
paper OfR to turn up, you can download the SD form from the TEC
website. You need a PE3
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 5, 2025, 3:51 pm
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+1
For process also see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 5, 2025, 4:55 pm
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[member=3853]mairajbhaii[/member] while the advice from John and
Incandescent is not wrong, you don't want to bother with the TEC
process if you can possibly avoid it, that should really only be
used as a last resort.
In the first instance please contact the council as a matter of
urgency and try and get the following information about of them,
in order of priority:
1) Has a notice of rejection been issued?
2) If yes, what is the verification code on the notice of
rejection?
3) Can they email you a copy of the notice of rejection?
As long as you get a positive answer to at least one of these,
you can appeal directly to the tribunal without having to faff
about with getting a statutory declaration sworn. If they refuse
to answer you might need to force their hand by making a formal
subject access request, but in the first instance I would call
up and ask as most councils will provide these answer over the
phone.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 5, 2025, 5:55 pm
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I did say the OP could contact the council. However, I shall
emphasise this more in future posts. As said, going through the
Statutory Declaration process is the last resort, literally,
and is a bit of a PITA !
We do seem to see a lot of threads where the OP submits reps
then the first thing they get back is a Charge Certificate. I do
wonder if councils are so perfect in their admin as to never
miss sending out a letter of rejection.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 6, 2025, 5:14 am
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I was informed by one other Musketeer of a new Practice
Direction nowadays which bypasses the need for a council to
refer the matter to the Tribunal.
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